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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 23, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
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I thought the incident at hand here occurred out on the street not in Z-man's house.
If this is referring to my post, I think Zimmerman should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for 1st Degree murder if it's proven it wasn't self defense.
If it is self defense, he should be charged with criminal negligence and obstruction of justice.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2012 - 09:02pm PT
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There are lots of brave folks who travel in extreemly hairy circles unarmed. some make it and some don't but no questioning their cajones... Most of the folks who carry probobly do not need to. makes em feel safe or bad assed or whatever but they precieve a threat that is mostly imaginary. Some who carry do have legit reasons. The most legit reason you can find is if you are involved in any kind of domestic issues. You can guard money your whole life and never need a gun but spend 1 day protecting a woman who has just left a bad relationship and you better be ready to roll!
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 23, 2012 - 09:06pm PT
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You can guard money your whole life and never need a gun but spend 1 day protecting a woman who has just left a bad relationship and you better be ready to roll!
Wouldn't that make you a paranoid pussy in Riley's eyes? Carrying a gun to stop a man from beating up or killing a woman.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2012 - 09:15pm PT
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Pretty sure wht Riley is getting at is that a large percentage of the gun toteing crowd are makeing up for personal issues by empowering themselfs with guns. In short, they are cowards. Simeler to those who drill their way up climbs that braver men hike in their approach shoes.
There are legit reasons to carry and protecting domestic abuse victims is certainally one of them. It is best to wear a uniform as well as pack heat when doing that kind of work. The uniform helps keep the ex from thinking you are the new BF.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 23, 2012 - 09:21pm PT
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If a gun is involved it is always, always bad!
Escalation, anger, wounds, death....
And how is it different with sharp pointy objects or heavy blunt ones?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 23, 2012 - 09:22pm PT
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Michaelb or what ever your name is..
Are you that illiterate you can't tell the difference between a d and a b?
Do you know your A,B,C's? The difference between left and right?
With your story, it's really hard to understand what the hell you're talking about. It just seems like a bunch of rambling back and forth between guns being okay and bad. Make up your mind, or speak literate.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2012 - 09:24pm PT
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Dude, when you go to post you do not see the previous page so unless you copy and paste the persons name from up thread it is easy to mispell it.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 23, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
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Excuses for everything here huh?
He's black.
He's white.
He's 100 lbs heavier.
He's 6'2 football player.
He had a gun.
He attacked first.
That's him screaming.
His face is bleeding.
Was anyone there on this website to clear the facts up? Stop jumping to conclusions.
Regardless - There is a dead guy, and the guy who killed him is free, and that set's a lot of people off.
Zimmerman should have NOT followed him as closely to cause suspicion by the "perp" aka Martin.
He should have listened to the police when they said to stop following. With that alone he should be charged with Obstruction of Justice.
People are going to play the race card, there is NOTHING you can do about it. It sucks. It happens. Who knows if it is what drove Zimmerman to judge Martin, most likely given the phone recordings and his heightened sense of paranoia from "them" and "F*cking c...ns." Who really knows?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2012 - 09:45pm PT
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Wouldn't expect anything else from repuglicans ;)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2012 - 09:59pm PT
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ahh, check out my post history, no lurker and not a liberal. I am a red neck gun owner who had to split from the repuglicans when they lost their minds and turned into a bumch of frothing at the mouth mean spirited lunatics with newt at the helm. You guys lost me back when newt went after Clinton for haveing an affair while newt was haveing an affair.... decided that voteing single issue (Gun rights) was insane and I had to look at the whole picture.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Mar 23, 2012 - 11:38pm PT
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Ron,
His father is white, mother Peruvian.
So that means Zimmerman's hispanic, right?
I mean, Obama's black, no?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Mar 23, 2012 - 11:56pm PT
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Zimmerman should have NOT followed him as closely to cause suspicion by the "perp" aka Martin.
It's been said before, but bears repeating, you are insane.
Martin "perpetrated" the crimes of being black and wearing a hoodie, while some punk tracked and shot him, because he was too much a wimp to do anything else. GFY mikeb.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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Mar 24, 2012 - 12:43am PT
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Geraldo Rivera blames hoodie for Trayvon's death on Fox.
Don't be wearin gangsta clothing he's implying ......
Edit: Joseph and Mary picture keeps disappearing.
Sacrilege?
F*ck Geraldo. F*ck all those folks who are trying to blame the kid.
My wife teaches at a very expensive to attend Catholic High School and everybody wears a hoodie. Mary and Joseph wore 'em. Bob Dylan wears a hoodie, I wear one, and I bet alot of folks who visit this website wear one. F*ck Geraldo, he should know better. F*ckin' Al Capone wore one and if Geraldo would have found him back in Chicago would he have shot him too.
Edit 2:
I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin's death as much as George Zimmerman was
What the f*ck kind of convoluted reasoning is this?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2012 - 06:03am PT
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Thanks Jim and Reily.
One thing I have noticed over the years is that ocasionaly someone comes along who realy needs a good arse whooping. Sometimes if they get that arse whooping they turn into a better person. Not always but often it works. One of lifes great lessons.
Zimmerman seems like one of those guys. He stalks the kid, chases him causeing a confrontation that perhaps he was loseing. Instead of taking his whooping like a man and learning from it he wimps out and shoots the kid. Pathetic case of bully cowardice. It is just as pathetic and cowardly that some of the hard core Repuglicans try to defend his behavior.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 24, 2012 - 11:14am PT
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He spots a victim, stalks that victim and kills him then claimes he was afraid for his life? WTF
Instead of taking his whooping like a man and learning from it he wimps out and shoots the kid.
I'll bet there's at least one more twist to the story before it's over.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Mar 24, 2012 - 02:32pm PT
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Ron, even the 'stand your ground' authors say the law does not apply here. Stalking someone and creating a confrontation is not 'standing your ground'.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
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Mar 24, 2012 - 03:48pm PT
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zBrown,
That is what I was alluding to back a few pages on this thread when I commented something to the effect that the PD(PoPo's)were negligent and should be held accountable in regards to their lack of action!
The dude is an out and out racist. He steriotyped the youth and had a cold blooded death wish coursing through his mind and viens. "They always get away...F*#kin Coons!" He made a decision at that point, and followed through with it. He became the judge, jury and executioner point blank.
And the F'n cops...how pathetic!!
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