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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:37pm PT
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perhaps i am too old school. but if you end up relying on a climbing forum to help keep you sober then you have a lot worse problems than being an alky. what rox said on that thread was the truth (as he saw it). whether or not people want to hear that truth or not is their problem.
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YoungGun
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North
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:38pm PT
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All he really said in the sobriety thread was that some people are maybe too focused on drinking as a problem, when the real solution to the drinking is the elimination of other problems. Not exactly sensitive, but this is the kind of question any alcoholic is going to have to answer if they want to be successful. Doesn't deserve banning IMHO.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:40pm PT
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I read his posts on the sobriety thread and agreed with some of what he said.
Does that make me a bad person?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:42pm PT
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yes GC. if you think like a banned person then you had better keep that to yourself otherwise you get get whacked.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:45pm PT
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Alcoholism is a life and death situation and that thread has been nothing but informative and supportive to a lot of people here at ST. It's a one of a kind.
Imagine if it were a thread about living and dealing with cancer. Would you feel the same way then?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:48pm PT
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have the feeling it is not those posts, per se, that got him sh#t-canned, but his outright admission that getting canned was his objective. It is likely, from his MO, he would simply have kept upping the ante, not just in that thread, but in others.
He liked pushing buttons, got a thrill from it. Many do. It is a strange way of interacting with others.
Remember, CMAC said in his video that he would consider allowing people back if they were willing to stop agitating to a point that was f*#king up the experience for the majority.
The ones who are saying this is censorship, people are being babies, and such.. I am pretty sure the collective of all those doesn't come near the majority. So - while the opinion is valid, it is just that - an opinion.
The formula is pretty evident - Act like an ass, agitate to a point people are going to email CMac about it, and likely you will get canned.
Remember, people, that when we freak out and cause this consternation on the site, at this time, we really are putting CMac out. I don't think he WANTS to friggin' police this place. He's said that outright. He made a point when the Faty/Skipt thing went down, and probably expected we were bright enough to understand that point. Probably did not think it would cascade into people gunning for deactivation(that sounds so cold-war era!)
If we don't give a crap about anyone on this place, at least can't we be considerate of the host? Let's not put him in this position to have to make these calls.
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YoungGun
climber
North
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
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This place is turning into one giant church group AA meeting for people who can't deal with reality...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
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Alcoholism is a life and death situation and that thread has been nothing but informative and supportive to a lot of people here at ST. It's a one of a kind.
Imagine if it were a thread about living and dealing with cancer. Would you feel the same way then?
i know more than i care to about the topic at hand.
and yet i still dont think that RJ dais anything bad. in fact, for him, it was on the nice side.
but let me reiterate. if you are on that thread looking for help to stay sober then you have more severe problems than just that.
edit:
exactly youngun. but now you too are on "the list"
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 21, 2012 - 05:13pm PT
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Seemed like RJ's posting of every random, wacky thought that came into his mind was becoming (or has been) a rather odd addiction.
Perhaps getting banned will give him more time to get out of the house and do something more productive and hopefully more entertaining than incessant, usually obnoxious posting.
On the other hand, I probably got more amusement out of at least some of his posts than I do out of random trip reports (climbing is great, including the mundane type that I and many of us do, but is reading about other people's mundane climbing great?). I suspect I'm not alone, but we're sort of a silent majority. CMac may want to get rid of us and that's his right, but careful what you wish for . . .
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 21, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
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I suspect I'm not alone, but we're sort of a silent majority. CMac may want to get rid of us and that's his right, but careful what you wish for . . .
+1
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Feb 21, 2012 - 05:17pm PT
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I knew it was over for rox when that wolf crossed the border and entered California. The blending of his rant topics into a single event was sure to remove whatever restraint he may have had.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Feb 21, 2012 - 05:24pm PT
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Looks like LEB may have been self immolation. All the posts are gone too by a cursory look.
I've always thought the reactions to LEB were worse than the cause. Then again, I never read the posts and avoided engaging in banter, except once.
Rox is probably just in purgatory. He could probably make amends and buy $50 worth of guide books and take a week off.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 21, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
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so far its been a number of posters banned.
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Gene
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 05:57pm PT
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If the Climber's Forum can save one life or keep one of our brother/sister climbers on the road to recovery, Cmac's playground is a great success.
g
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
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If the Climber's Forum can save one life or keep one of our brother/sister climbers on the road to recovery, Cmac's playground is a great success.
Saving one life is easy. You could do a police search of every single house in the city and find something that would save one life. You could tie someone up for their entire life and that might keep them from an early death. At what cost?
I think that far too much simplistic thinking goes on here to have a rational discussion about any topic, be it alcohol, automobiles, depression, or climbing. Any time someone tries to post an opinion that takes into account more than one complex idea, they are reamed a new one.
Success in a discussion forum should be measured in the overall increase in knowledge and wisdom of the community. That is a much more critical measuring stick than how the forum might affect one person who was doomed in the first place.
Dave
P.S. I should edit this to say that the climbing threads on topics like bolting or knots are actually much more productive than the rest of the topics. It's still hard to present any unusual viewpoint in the climbing threads but climbers seem to know they don't know everything about climbing, event though they don't recognize how little they know about politics and religion.
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Gene
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:13pm PT
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Success in a discussion forum should be measured in the overall increase in knowledge and wisdom of the community.
I couldn't agree more!
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
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WTF Rocky got banned now too?
WTF did he do now?
WTF is happening in this place?
Unholy smokes !!!!!
edit: Ah ... he called Chris McNamara an insane person. Is this why?
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:23pm PT
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2012 - 06:32pm PT
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Bummer Rocky is gone.
Everyone is gone.
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