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dirtbag
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Yes, because we need Ron Paul to get rid of the clean air act, clean water act, and other environmental laws and replace them with the free market and tort laws, because that worked so well before!
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Nohea
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Living Outside the Statist Quo
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DB get a clue, RP has always been honest, no other prezi runner has been. RP is knott gonna sell off the Valley to the highest bidder. The dems use to rail on bush call him a fear monger and now cuz RP gets a few votes seems The Party has shown its true colors with all the dum lies about the terror that will strike with an RP victory.
Lighten up folks, Freedom is not that bad and if your close to my age, you will not see a dime of pension SS anyway. RP will just allow a better way to save for your own retirement.
Windy out on the Pacific today but a great paddle nonetheless.
Aloha,
Sweet willi G
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Gary
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That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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DB get a clue, RP has always been honest
All the more reason not to vote for him. He'll try to implement his policies. That's a showstopper right there.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Hey, he wants to abolish the TSA so he's not all bad.
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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That's true, but he wants to abolish society as well, which is a step too far.
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couchmaster
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pdx
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karodrinker said: After watching Zeitgeist and learning more about the Federal Reserve Bank, I am now leaning towards switching parties and voting for Ron Paul. Keep in mind I am a UC Santa Cruz alumni, full on social liberal atheist. I voted Obama, but he seems to be caught up in the stinky whirlpool when the sh#t really needs to get flushed. Please chime in, both for and against and offer good evidence to support your argument.
Have not seen Zeitgeist but agree with you. As far as being a "social liberal atheist", that probably just means that you are young. You have plenty of time to change. You're on the money otherwise IMO.
"I am fully against many of his policies, ie i am for a social safety net and pro choice. But the opportunity to audit and end the fed supercedes all other issues at this time for me. "
You and I must be whack jobs, we are apparently in the minority on wanting less government, balanced budget, less imperialism and overseas military interventionism and personal liberty. Somehow you can't get one without the other. Paul sadly has not been able to influence the debate on the issues he raises. Frankly, I think he'd be a terrible President and he won't get elected, but I agree with his general libertarian principles and would like to see those at least discussed. I know the fed gets a guaranteed 6 % return, but little else about their charter.
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Prod
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"I am fully against many of his policies, ie i am for a social safety net and pro choice. But the opportunity to audit and end the fed supercedes all other issues at this time for me. "
You and I must be whack jobs, we are apparently in the minority on wanting less government, balanced budget, less imperialism and overseas military interventionism and personal liberty. Somehow you can't get one without the other.
Make that 3 wack jobs.
Prod.
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couchmaster
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pdx
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We can form the "Whack Job Party".
BTW, my brother pointed out to me that the government slight of hand way they show a small amount of the total budget going to the military (@ 20%) is by including Social Security in the pie chart. But SS should not be in the budget as it is "suppose to be" self-funded. Once you take SS out, the amount going to the military (notice no one calls it "defense anymore?) is huge as a percentage.
Huge.
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Sorry, fellas, but I just can't see going back to the days before the EPA and Clean Air and Water Acts.
And why do you guys want less personal liberty? I don't get that.
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Nohea
Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
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I just can't see going back to the days before the EPA and Clean Air and Water Acts.
More fear mongering, please…
why do you guys want less personal liberty LESS Liberty? Are you serious? Do you say that with a straight face?
Turn off the MSNBC
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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nohea, you wrote:
You and I must be whack jobs, we are apparently in the minority on wanting less government, balanced budget, less imperialism and overseas military interventionism and personal liberty.
So, yes, I said that with a straight face. Why do you want less personal liberty?
As for fear mongering, when Paul says he wants to eliminate the EPA, should I not believe him? I know what 100 years of market forces did to the Ohio River, and the transformation made to that river by just a few years of government regulation. I don't want to go back to market forces.
I remember not being able to take a deep breath without choking while hiking in the San Gabriel Mountains. That was your market forces at work. I don't want to go back to that, either, thank you very much.
And khanom, do you really think a Republican congress will stop Paul from dismantling the EPA?
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apogee
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"Skip isn't worth bothering with"
Dr. F, February 6, 2012, 5:27 pm
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Gary
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That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Call me crazy, but I think this country could use a good firm kick in the butt. And what better way than a huge swing to the right and into the abyss.
Yeah, you can't reform until you hit rock bottom. I see your point, let the conservatives finish off their decades long fight to destroy American society, then we can begin rebuilding America without them.
It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins.
-- Buenaventura Durruti
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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a Ron Paul administration with a Rupugnican congress would be disastrous for this country... and that is just what we need to mold a better long-term direction
That's some strange thinking there. Because you know, we could just continue to elect the mostly sane/science accepting party and within 20 years the demographics will have either completely eliminated the GOP or caused them to finally reconfigure themselves into a mildly libertarian, fiscally conservative party they were before the Jesus freaks, moral scolds, and deregulation-happy corps took over.
Either way takes 10-20 years, one of them includes a lot of unneccesary pain. It's telling that the ones typically calling for the pain as solution are fairly insulated from the actual pain, i.e. mostly white upper middle class with families to lean on and geographic mobility.
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Nohea
Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
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nohea, you wrote:
You and I must be whack jobs, we are apparently in the minority on wanting less government, balanced budget, less imperialism and overseas military interventionism and personal liberty.
So, yes, I said that with a straight face. Why do you want less personal liberty?
Dont think i said that...not my style
I do knott want less Liberty. I want more, and I want it for everyone.
we had bush, now we have bush-lite, so it seems you guys are happy to end up with keeping bush-lite or getting bush III. Go Party members!
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