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Gilroy
Social climber
Boulderado
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Yeah. S'what I thought. Thanks, John Moosie... and sorry, Werner. Pretty sure they got their man. Unless you want to sit with Klimmer over on the Group W bench.
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Sioux Juan
Big Wall climber
Costa mesa
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Who got the reward money ?
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Alti2de
Sport climber
Columbus, Ohio
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I am struck by the diversity of reactions displayed here... Some relieved, some outright happy, some doubting, even some astonishingly critical that this has occurred... I am particularly surprised that one even seemed to be lamenting the lack of a "trial" for bin Laden... A man who admitted to having been the planner and financier of 9/11. Also, why are the celebrants in Washington and New York being deemed moronic? They are simply celebrating what they see as a victory... Yes, I am sure it's going to piss off terrorists worldwide and there may be repercussions, but human nature is human nature.. Do you not recall the dancing in the streets in the middle east when we were attacked? I do. I am not dancing in the street myself, but this was something that had to be done. And I am glad that it has been done. And for the person who argues that justice has not been done in this instance, I would beg to differ. He was served the same amount of "justice" he delivered to us so many years ago. All my respect to the Intelligence community, JSOC, and the boots on the ground that accomplished this mission.
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Jay Wood
Trad climber
Land of God-less fools
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Bin Laden almost certainly died in December 2001.
Before then, he gave regular, weekly radio addresses. Since then, not a word, except videotapes, some of which are laughably fake.
He had kidney disease, was on dialysis.
The funeral was reported in Arab newspapers.
His death was alluded to in 2002 and on by Bush, Rumsfeld, Oliver North, and others.
http://www.amazon.com/Osama-Bin-Laden-Dead-Alive/dp/1566567831/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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well, for one thing this sure proves Obama (not Osama) is no American. Any self respecting American politician would have waited until a week before the election to pull the trigger. ha
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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At first Bin Laden denied being a part of 9-11
source
"http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/01/bin.laden.obit/index.html?hpt=Sbin"
"In statements released from his hideouts in Afghanistan after September 11, bin Laden denied al Qaeda was responsible for the attacks."
later a video came out with Bin Laden Confessing to 9-11 but many have noted that the man in the video supposed to be Bin Laden has facial features, even bone structure don't really match the Bin Laden we'd been seeing.
Who knows. Judge for yourself, he is "him" confessing
http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/osama-bin-laden-s-9-11-confession-2001-25086383;_ylt=AtuewFjlTkOqLojmzIzo3CCz174F;_ylu=X3oDMTEwMzkwdHJpBHBvcwM4BHNlYwNjbGlwcwRzbGsDb3NhbWFiaW5sYWRl
No matter how you slice it. It's amazing how little we've been told about how 9-11 went down. We don't really know the hijackers names. What was Bin Laden's real role versus Kalid S Mohammed? Did they plan it in Germany. What was the Saudi Role?
Peace
karl
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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If the DNA proves the body was his, well then the only thing we know for sure is he is dead and people (many) are happy and sad about it.
I have my own personal feelings about targeted killings/assassinations but it would be presumptuous of me to assume anyone here is interested in that.
I always think it is kind of weird when people dance around and celebrate killings- it creeps me out whether it is some extremist (Muslim or otherwise) dancing and firing their guns in celebrations (witness the downing of the Blackhawk chopper in Mogadishu or the WTC "collapse" to name but two), to a bunch of Americans celebrating the killing of OBL on the streets in the capital. They both strike me as a form of insanity.
I do think it is too bad we were (at least I assume) unable to get OBL alive if for no other reason than to get more info. from him on what went down. That is intel. that will not be forthcoming and in my mind that is very unfortunate. I do not believe in a 'conspiracy' though, just interested in the truth.
I do not understand this word "Justice" either.
Justice for who? For what?
For all the loved ones lost-scratch that-killed as a result of OBL and the military on all sides including so called terrorists? For Iraq, for Afghanistan, for Pakistan, for the USA...
Is that what Justice is? One dies for 'justice' of countless thousands killed?
The dude is dead-so are they. Do you think any of them care now?
Is justice for the living? For the family and friends of the dead?
Is it right to feel some deserve to die while others deserve to live?
What makes us human?
Are we the only animal capable of "inflicting" justice onto others?
Is justice truly a function of our morality?
What is moral and who decides? You? Me? The community? Our elected officials?
These are questions that (I'm guessing) only some will honestly reflect on.
Full disclosure- I believe OBL was a whacked out human that brought about an incredible amount of pain and suffering to others.
It has always seemed to me though that 'death' is the easy way out.
Revenge seems more applicable in this case.
Cheers,
DD
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Burying Bin Laden at sea, and on the same day in accordance with muslim tradition after confirming his identity was wise.
…putting the body on display in the U.S. would be seen (by Muslims) as mocking Islam … and hard and malevolent by most in the west.
Conspiracy proponents will find concern and diversion with the prompt burial, though…
Either way… Bin Laden will be aggrandized, canonized and memorialized by fanatics and zealots in the middle east.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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"Burying Bin Laden at sea, and on the same day in accordance with muslim tradition after confirming his identity was wise"
I agree.
Cheers,
DD
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Top_Rope
Mountain climber
Queenstown, NZ
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This has made big news down in the Antipodean. We've a sense of well-wishing for everyone in the States as we see this as a small bit of well deserved comeuppance
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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I agree with the burying at sea, and the protocol that preceded it. We do not need a grave/monument for this guy that fanatics could worship at.
BTW, I may be in Cali within the next few days, as my sister is on life support at John Muir Hospital in Walnut Creek. It does not look good at all, it is just a matter of time. She is only 57 and has a 15-year-old son that will hopefully end up in guardianship with my brother Mac (the winemaker in Napa) and his wife Kathleen. I have been on the phone and emails to my brothers and relatives all this weekend (today is a bank holiday in Ireland).
It will be a bittersweet visit... firstly a funeral, but secondly Jennie and I have decided to get married in South Lake Tahoe. Marriage in Ireland is so complicated, but in Douglas County (fitting, as my first name is Douglas) it's $60 and find an Elvis preacher. Okay, Elvis is out, but one of my closest and childhood friends, Brian, married Cindy in a chapel next to the lake about 25 years ago. I was there and it was lovely.
Maybe I can get some climbing in at Lover's Leap or around the lake, but probably not.
I called Mac on his 60th b'day on April 3 but he and his estranged wife (they live apart but do a lot together) were off to Tahoe and Mac says "I'll put you on to your god-daughter-in-law", and I am thinking what???
Then this young lady, Grace, comes on the phone. Apparently my nephew Benjamin, after coming back from a seven-month tour in Afghanistan with his Marine unit (he is due to return in October for seven months, but hopefully he won't have to go... he was in regular firefights) decided to marry his high school (Napa HS) sweetheart as soon as he returned in February. Then he will be out. To join the Air Force to be a flight officer.
God-daughter-in-law? Well, he is my godson.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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I'm sitting in the Philly airport right now, getting ready to board a flight. Security was a bit tougher. Interesting vibe in the terminal. Everyone is in a light mood except for the muslims. I'm thinking they either liked the terrorist or hated him but feel persecuted. It is a kind of weird scene. TTFN.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Obama hinted at why it took so long to get him- "It took years of intelligence work..." - Obviously this wasn't possible under the Bush Administration.
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OR
Trad climber
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Media reporting that OBL was using a woman as a human shield when he was shot. Crikey
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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I'm right there with you DMT, where's the proof?
-Patrick
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nature
climber
Krabi, Thailand
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The proof is that faux news isn't disputing it.
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monolith
climber
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Yea, we should have a traveling circus show, with barkers, "Come and touch OBL's body".
Seriously, do you even think that would satisfy the conspiracy droids?
The right thing was done. There will be plenty of pics and vids later on.
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