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monolith
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Apr 19, 2011 - 10:50am PT
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High protein, acidic diets suck, causing calcium loss, etc. At the equator, it's more likely we got most of our nutrition and energy from plants, particularly fruits which are plentiful and easy to get.
Given that human breast milk is only 5% protein, and we drink it at a time we more than double in size, it's highly unlikely we need high protein diets.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 19, 2011 - 11:02am PT
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Look at the monkeys and apes. Leaves, grasses, seeds of grasses (which is essentially whole grain cereal crop), small invertebrates, fruits and a very small amount of hunted, vertebrates (~3% in chimps).
Yes, chimps hunt. Well documented, Jane Goodall I think was the first to document the behavior and there has been plenty of study since then.
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S.Leeper
Sport climber
Pflugerville, Texas
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Vegan for 30 days now and I feel MUCH better.
Seriously, how many other vegans are supertaco members?
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S.Leeper
Sport climber
Pflugerville, Texas
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Met a 96-year-old man in Carmel Valley many years ago who crawled under his house to repair a broken pipe. I asked him his secret to such active longevity. Are you vegan freaks ready for this knee-bending humiliation? He said "Lots of red meat, a good daily cigar, two shots of damned good whiskey everyday, and plenty of sex."
So go ahead, pork out on your carrots and celery and cucumber water, and I'll see you at the Pearly Gates AFTER you've died BEFORE me, just pass me the beer, T-bones, and mayo before you depart!!
waaaaaaaay the exception. good luck with that mayo and beer diet.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Mill Valley, CA
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May 10, 2011 - 01:34am PT
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Riley, it absolutely pisses me off to no end that men can lose weight so damn easily. Fluphggg!
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nature
climber
Railay, Thailand
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May 10, 2011 - 01:36am PT
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head over to india and try the Indian diet plan.
I've dropped close to 20 pounds in the last three months.
Currently I'm in Thailand and something I ate a couple days ago has me on another diet plan. Perhaps it's the Pad Thai diet? Or maybe Panang diet?
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Anastasia
climber
hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.
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May 10, 2011 - 01:48am PT
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I come from an island with one of the longest living populations. The name of the place is Ikaria and it's part of the Blue Zone. Our four rules for a longer life are simple.
One: Eat diverse food. Even too much water can kill you. Remember it is best to keep everything in moderation. (We also like a good mix of veggies and fruit which we all know is good.)
Two: Be useful and social... People who have purpose with a healthy social life live longer.
Three: Don't stress. Life will work itself out despite how you "feel" about it. Might as well not let it wear you out.
Four: Keep moving. You need to use your body or you really are going to lose it. Everyone on the island gardens, walks to the local markets, etc. You can easily do this too. Even if the markets are to far from your home, you can still park at the farthest parking spot and recreate the effort.
Remember it's the small easy stuff that make big differences.
AFS
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nature
climber
Railay, Thailand
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May 10, 2011 - 01:53am PT
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I'm not that lucky.
I've been in Railay for almost a week now and have yet to get on a rope.
Can't find a partner. I'm ready to make a sign that starts "Free Beer...."
I went to bed two nights ago with a dry fever and body aches all over. Now just my digestion is bugging me. But I'm dropping poundage!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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May 10, 2011 - 01:56am PT
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On one hand, I'm not sure I believe in any halcyon diets of the past. Humans live longer than ever in recorded history and people are running marathons and other extreme physical feats later and later in life than ever before.
On the other hand, I have a bunch of friends with sort extreme diets...Mostly Raw Vegan. I have to admit that they seem to have tons of energy and virtually glow. The women all seem to look gorgeous even though I could see they might otherwise easily become overweight on another diet.
Me, I'm kinda in the "Moderation" league, not eating land animals 99% of the time, and tending toward a better diet while I indulge my cheese, grain, and sugar addictions. I know we're creatures of habit and it's possible to change our tastes so I"m weaning myself in a healthy direction.
On even another hand, I surprised Mom for mother's day and she baked chocolate chip cookies today fresh, and resistance is futile....
Peace
karl
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nature
climber
Railay, Thailand
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May 10, 2011 - 02:18am PT
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I've been to Tonsai. met some climbers but most are either noobs or wanting to do short hard routes. Humanilty and Heart of Darkness anyone?
I went deep water soloing sunday. Problem was that was the day my Pad Thai fever diet was starting so I was too exhausted to do much climbing.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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May 10, 2011 - 10:53am PT
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Low/no fat can be a problem with some foods, for instance with greens/salads a little oil actually helps with uptake of some of the nutrients. And fat triggers a sort of satiation response that helps satisfy hunger feeling.
Seems like a lot of the issue is that people associate "healthy" food with food that doesn't taste good. And factory farming/grain fed livestock creates food that has a inferior makeup (fat/nutrient content/etc) to grass fed. One of those Michael Pollan books had a neat chapter on the chicken machine guy who sort of rotated his chickens through sections of pasture, allowing them to fertilize the pasture gradually and forage insects/seeds whatever without overusing one area. Turns out the products..eggs and meat were both richer tasting and had a better nutrient profile.
I think of my grandparents and great aunts/uncles who grew up in the south in the 1920s and 30s. They were poor as dirt and ate what is really a very good diet...lots of game (deer), more or less "free range" chickens that foraged around the yard/farm and provided meat & eggs, very little beef because cows were for milk or selling not butchering and eating (no electricity for a freezer in bumf*#k Georgia back then, whatchu gonna do with an entire cow?), and when they did butcher a cow it was certainly grass fed not corn-fed (corn was for makin liquor! and cornbread or sellin', let the cow eat the free grass)fresh fruit and veggies from the on-premises gardens and canned versions of the same to get through winter.
Even my grandpa who in his midlife to later years ate horribly, all refined sugars and lots of fat with no restaint, he lived to 85. The womenfolk who kept mostly to the old eating habits have all made it into their 90s.
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monolith
climber
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May 10, 2011 - 02:45pm PT
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You overthink stuff Elcap. Spinach has 15% fat. Even cucs have 12% fat. No need to add fat for vitamin absorption. Nature provides the perfect amount of macronutrients in whole plant foods.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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May 10, 2011 - 03:03pm PT
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Monolith, I think I'll take the actual research over your feelings or intuition. I'm an engineer, I prefer data and studies to your approach of "not overthinking".
"...the study, which appears in the August issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, researchers compared nutrient absorption after eating salads with varying levels of fat.
Seven healthy men and women ate salads of spinach, romaine lettuce, cherry tomatoes, and carrots topped with Italian dressings containing 0, 6 (0.2 ounces), or 28 grams (almost 1 ounce) of canola oil on different occasions during a 12-week period. Hourly blood samples were taken for 11 hours after the meal and tested for nutrient absorption.
The study found that only negligible amounts of alpha- and beta-carotene and lycopene were detected in the blood after eating a salad with fat-free dressing. Significantly more of these substances, known as carotenoids, were detected in the blood after eating salads with reduced-fat dressing or full-fat dressings.
Researchers say this study shows that the minimum amount of fat required for optimal absorption of these nutrients from the salads is more than 6 grams of added fat. But because salads are often consumed with other items that contain fat, the use of a reduced-fat salad dressing may still allow the body to reap the maximum nutritional benefits of fresh vegetables."
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 10, 2011 - 03:18pm PT
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That stuff is not yogurt.
Pretty easy to make your own. With whatever level of fat you prefer.
But I'm mostly with you on this crusade -- "low fat" is often a travesty against good food and a red herring in the debate about healthy diet.
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monolith
climber
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May 10, 2011 - 03:24pm PT
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Del, you should look it up. 15% by calorie. I suggest you download Cron-o-meter or use a web based database like Nutridiary.
Again ElCap, over thinking. Yep you may get a few extra this or that,but you've just added 250 calories of fat to your 50 cal salad. Just eat vast quantities of whole plant food and you will get all the nutrients you need, including all the ones we've yet to discover. And you can be sure that that much fat is going to interfere with some other absorption.
Remember your other overthinking myth about how too much fiber must make you take a dump 4 times a day? So funny.
Trust in the power of whole plant foods, not highly processed foods like oils. Add a small amount of pumpkin, hemp or flax seeds if you think it matters. In the long run, not really though.
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Les
Trad climber
Bahston
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May 10, 2011 - 03:25pm PT
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Agree with Dingus. After eating lowfat/no fat yogurt for many years, and recently switching to full-fat Greek-style (I buy Fage, available at Whole Foods, Trader Joe's and miraculously, my local grocer), and it is SO FAR superior in taste, texture and ability to satisfy. Hands down. Add a few fresh berries, a sprinkling of walnuts or pecans, and a light drizzle of honey - oh man.
Bottom line is, new studies every day are debunking the conventional wisdom of such deeply held beliefs as "eat low fat, "restrict salt intake," "eat 5 servings of grain" etc, etc, etc, that the conventional wisdom has proven to be utterly useless.
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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May 10, 2011 - 03:28pm PT
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DMT, if you feel that strongly about yogurt, it is super easy to make at home using any plain yogurt you like as a starter. Probably can find how with 10 seconds of googling.
You can make it more sweet or sour depending on how long you leave it out before putting it in the fridge.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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May 10, 2011 - 03:43pm PT
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Forget that stuff. Go vegan.
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