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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 24, 2011 - 10:28am PT
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Can someone please post a bill or amendment that modern republicans have sponsor that benefits the average American worker.
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Feb 24, 2011 - 10:53am PT
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The irony of today's day and age: The middle east is exploding because of the huge gap between the ultra rich and the regular folks aka ultra poor in those countries, and here in the U.S. the GOP trying to tell us that is the ideal model and the "American Dream".
The sad thing is most Americans are stupid enough to believe it :(
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Feb 24, 2011 - 11:08am PT
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Klimmer, does the Bible Code say if the governor resigns or is impeached?
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Feb 24, 2011 - 09:00pm PT
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If only all those damn lazy American workers would work for nothing - then this nation would be competitive again. Even get our jobs back from China. And the stock market would soar. Fatty and his friends will all get new private jets from which they can soar around keeping an eye on their estates and minions. Oh, and then there is the jus primae noctis. Things are indeed looking up for the noble class.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Feb 25, 2011 - 02:02pm PT
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Dr F - All that education and still not a good Conservative? Can you pinpoint where your life started to go so wrong?
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Feb 25, 2011 - 05:11pm PT
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i'm a public school teacher and a conservative who supports gov walker
let me use social security as an example...i realized, nearly 20 years ago, that i would never see any ss; the system, as currently "funded", is simply UNSUSTAINABLE...i support ss reform, not because i hope to get anything out of it (i know i won't) but because i believe in the fundamental principle behind ss that the gov should help those who CANnot help themselves but if we continue down the current path eventually (sooner than you think) there will be NO MONEY for ANYONE...so we need to do something now to ensure that ss is available for those who need it in the future
the current system of public pensions and benefit packages is UNSUSTAINABLE; that is not the fault of the govs who are trying to reign in the costs but the pols who passed the bills that would be paid for by future generations...what good is collective bargaining when there's nothing to bargain with/for?
even fdr understood that collective bargaining has no place in the public sector...THINK! when corps bargain with unions, they are bargaining from a position of equal strength; corps want to maximize profits and unions want to maximize compensation...more importantly, corps have a stake in the negotiations--if they make a poor bargain, they lose profits/shareholders
now, this formula does not/cannot work in the public sector...the pols who negotiate with the unions have no stake in the process--they're not bargaining with their money but OUR (the taxpayers') money so why not give away the farm?
now, if i'm a shareholder in a corp and i don't like the bargain, i can take my investment elsewhere...but as a taxpayer, i cannot take myself out of the bargain that somebody else made
ok, i can always vote for somebody else but i cannot take my money out of the bargain because the states have complete control over my tax money...so i am forced to pay for a deal that i oppose--what's "collective" about that?
last november, americans overwhelmingly elected repubs in a campaign that focused on budgets; walker campaigned on budget reform; he said repeatedly that he wanted to increase the money that public employees pay toward health care and retirement, and he spoke openly about his thoughts on collective bargaining and the voters of wi elected him by a wide margin
this is not walker/gop vs the unions...this the taxpayers of wi vs the unions...walker and the gop are doing exactly what they promised to do and what they were elected to do...if the people of wi don't like the results, they can vote the dems back in
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Feb 25, 2011 - 06:15pm PT
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Dr F - your premise is faulty. Average people do not want to be 'helped'
by the government, just left alone. You and the rest of the Entitlement class are just the opposite, living off us and always eager to pass new laws to get a bigger slice.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 25, 2011 - 06:22pm PT
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What a dumb fuk
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 25, 2011 - 08:15pm PT
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Fat...who controlled the house in 1986??
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 25, 2011 - 08:16pm PT
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What a dumb fuk
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 25, 2011 - 08:20pm PT
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The TRA of 1986...the bill was also officially sponsored by Democrats, Richard Gephardt of Missouri in the House of Representatives and Bill Bradley of New Jersey in the Senate.
Thanks for your confirmation on this matter.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2011 - 08:34pm PT
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Bullsh#t. People want good roads, safe neighborhoods, safe food supplies, **they don't want to get f*#ked by their employers**, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
That's why there are Federal/State laws that address for the private sector. Unions are laregely not needed anymore. Especially public-employee unions.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Feb 25, 2011 - 08:49pm PT
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After seeing the shocking Liberal meltdown in the WI state house today its
definitely time to
update bugout plans for "WHEN UNIONIZED LIBERAL ZOMBIES ATTACK".
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