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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:03am PT
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i thought wiki leaks was a radiator shop,
they got a sign out front, Best Place to Take a Leak, and sh#t.
you all seen it down south?
speakin of taking a leak, this must be as good as place as any?
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:08am PT
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hahahaha, Sprock! How's it going? Good, I hope.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:22am PT
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Yo, Sprock, I'm counting on you for a partner when the sh#t hit the proverbial fan....Not one of my buds climbs in the rain on sandstone for some reason.
Me...you...Aquarian valley. It'll be like the age of f*#king Aquarian, or Aquarious, whatever.
I'm getting a .45 for Christmas so the cougars shouldn't be a problem. It would be nice if you were hauling hardware though if we ran into those Cartel hombres. But I can just buy extra magazines.....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:30am PT
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So what's yer point, AC, he's a criminal or conducted an unlawful killing in a time of war?
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Yeah, Matt, cougars are a 'problem' here. I don't f*#k with them but you have to be careful if you're solo-hiking. They ARE out here and WILL kill you. Awarenes is everything. As is preparadnes.
You'd be stupid to think otherwhise.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:32am PT
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And please dont make the weak arguement about my lack of service.
You are the one who claimed that I was out of my league, thus implying that you knew better. I just pointed out that you didn't serve either, so you don't know any better then I do. And I talked to my landlord who did serve.. and honorably. So get off your high horse that you know better. I think that the opinion of a retired two star general who served honorably on the ground frontline in Korea and Vietnam trumps your opinion any day.
Most Marines and Army are trained to defend themselves, as are police. You SHOOT!!! OR YOU ARE DEAD!!!!!! IT'S A F*#KING WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is just ignorant. He didn't need to shoot this guy if he had done his job correctly. If he couldn't release a prisoner safely, then he shouldn't have the job. He was airborn. He screwed up and an unarmed prisoner died. A prisoner who wasn't convicted of anything.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:36am PT
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This is just ignorant. He didn't need to shoot this guy if he had done his job correctly.
Wow!!! You were there! I didn't know that. I must be wrong then.
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You are the one who claimed that I was out of my league, thus implying that you knew better. I just pointed out that you didn't serve either, so you don't know any better then I do. And I talked to my landlord who did serve.. and honorably. So get off your high horse that you know better. I think that the opinion of a retired two star general who served honorably on the ground frontline in Korea and Vietnam trumps your opinion any day.
John, relax, dude. You are out of you league, because you claimed the war was unwarranted. Do you relize even Dems voted for strike on Afghanistan? Do you realize that even under Obama we still stike sites in Pakistan????
WTF?
It is war. After I finish my current book, maybe I'll send it to ya. They hate you!!!!! Even if you are nice and love them. They will kill you. They say it openly.
I'll e-mail ya and send you Al Zawahiris texts that are founded in old Islamic texts.
These people are not Christian "I hate fags" people. They are mean and evil incarnate.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:36am PT
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IT'S A F*#KING WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A war we started. On bogus information against a country that didn't attack us and didn't have Al queda in it before we went into it.
What would you do if a country attacked the US and we hadn't don't anything to them?
We are ethically responsible for how we wage war. The man was a prisoner who was being released. This soldier acted like judge, jury and executioner. He pushed this man into attacking him, as did the US when we attacked a country that had done nothing to us.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:41am PT
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As the records allegedly are not top secret and 3 million individuals have clearance to access this info, it is certain that the intelligence agencies of all involved nations also have had access to this intel.
What is this nonsense?
Ok, everyone, what is the official classification of YOUR bank records? Oh, they are not classified? Oh, technically millions have clearance to access this info? Bah!
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:43am PT
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Wow!!! You were there! I didn't know that. I must be wrong then.
You weren't there either. What I was saying is that based on his own testimony, he screwed up. His weapon wasn't drawn. You don't release a potentially dangerous man with your weapon holstered. You are inviting trouble. And whats with the hand grenade under the guys head while he was cuffed?
Oh thats right. You believe that We should be as evil as our foe. A foe that didn't attack us.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:45am PT
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Blue, you repeatedly state such things as:
And please dont make the weak arguement about my lack of service. I prolly would have shot him too.
I don't know why you are proud of stating that you'd murder someone,given the chance, but there it is. I know all I need to from that.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:48am PT
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I don't think you people understand our enemy.
Let me put it this way:
Does you, or the guys on the ground understand the situation better? And do you think our guys want to kill civis? DO you think they take extra precautions?
F*#k off and let them DO THEIR JOBS.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:51am PT
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I don't think that you understand the huge mistake America made in going into Iraq. And all of the ramifications that come out of it. Like putting this young man in such a position that he would lose his moral compass and screw up like he did. It is a simple fact that If we weren't there, this wouldn't have happened.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:53am PT
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I don't know why you are proud of stating that you'd murder someone,given the chance, but there it is. I know all I need to from that.
It wasn't murder, Johnson. Are you stupid, or just disengenuous????
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 29, 2010 - 12:54am PT
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I don't think that you understand the huge mistake America made in going into Iraq.
Whole different can of worms, John.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 29, 2010 - 01:00am PT
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A.C., in typical disengenuosity, fails to state why there are appeals to the case.
Matt. You fail me here, dude.
Did you read the whole indictment? Or Are you supporing the wrenching of a Marine who defended himself?
Do you want to hear all the facts? Or Just say the US Military sucks!!!!
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 29, 2010 - 01:01am PT
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Whole different can of worms, John.
No Blue. Same can. The whole situation is FUBAR. That leads to terrible messes like this one. The military police should have handled this one, along with an escort from this guys patrol unit. This guy broke a bunch of rules of training and ended up killing an unarmed man. If we can't behave better then our foes, we are doomed to become them.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 29, 2010 - 01:08am PT
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The military police should have handled this one, along with an escort from this guys patrol unit. This guy broke a bunch of rules of training and ended up killing an unarmed man. If we can't behave better then our foes, we are doomed to become them.
Ahha!! The crux of the matter.
Why did the military intel unit FORCE Michael to esquort a known terrorist back to his villiage???
Why was this rat released?
Why only send him with an intertreper and NO ESCORT if he was an insurgent?
Michael is the innocent one here. Yeas, he capped the guy, but the guy was a known terrorist who lunged for Mike's gun.
In Pakistan, we fire Hellfire Missiles on cars with less evidence.
It's WARRRRR. It ain't a traffuc stop in Laguna Beach.
It's war. Do you comprende???
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 29, 2010 - 01:15am PT
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Why only send him with an intertreper and NO ESCORT if he was an insurgent?
He had an entire platoon with him. He left them and walked the prisoner away so that he could strip him with a knife, threaten him by telling him that they were going to kill him and then putting a grenade under his head with a pulled pin while he was handcuffed. They f*#ked this guy over good and if he went bizerk, then it is their fault for not having a weapon pointed at him while they cut his cuffs off. They screwed this up every which way they possibly could. They had an entire platoon with them. They walked away from the platoon going against all of their training.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 29, 2010 - 01:21am PT
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Just curious...
How do you know he was a terrorist, blue
Because the platoon that Mike was assaigned to had intel that this rat-f*#ker was the bomb placer.
Keep in mind that the bomb in question killed 2 Daddy's who's children will never see them again.
I do have to be careful here.
But I should pause. Some of you f*#kers do not realize the true scope of things.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 29, 2010 - 01:27am PT
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How do you know he was a terrorist, blue?
Edit: and how do you define "terrorist"?
Jesus help us!
Are you f*#king going to play this game, dude???? If Someone sent an RPG rocket into your home, what would you do? If they approached you with a firearm and you had a shotgun, would you play the game???
EDIT:Bleuy....
You truly are an idiot, every day .
And you never say why....
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