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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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On topics Chouinard ... 180° South is a cool little movie about a modern adventurer
who sails to Patagonia with a loose plan to recapture the spirit of Chouinard's 1968
Fun Hog expedition. Yvon himself eventually joins the trip, as does North Face founder
and fellow Fun Hog Doug Thomkins, and a remarkable young woman named Makohe,
a native of Easter Island.
Well worth watching if you haven't. Free on Netflix.
http://www.180south.com/index.html
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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groundup- Differentiating the early dielots, one from another, is what we are trying to accomplish. The actual body shape is more to the point than simply picking out differences in the manner, extent and degree of finishing.
Yvon works the vice squad! Nice shot Clint!
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groundup
Trad climber
hard sayin' not knowin'
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Yes. I understand about the die lots. But, the YC picture that Clint posted illustrates my point perfectly. A few taps with a hammer, a twist of the vise, a little massaging to make a tight gate fit and... whalla! Slightly different carabiner but same batch.
Please understand I am not questioning the workmanship or quality control of YC and the gang, merely wondering out loud about the reality of mass production for us 'biner hungry wall rats.
Again. I'm not saying they could have "left off" a major feature like the Chouinard logo or shaved down the nose of a carabiner just to throw a wrench in the work of this conversation 50 years later but there had to be some interesting differences that occurred which will not show up in any catalog or fit neatly in the timeline.
That sounds pessimistic but it isn't. I love this kind of thing.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2010 - 01:28pm PT
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OK?? So correct me if I'm wrong?
The early Chouinard Carabiner Missing Link/Holy Grail would be one with the Alcoa markings, but no Chouinard lettering on the opposite side of the body?
Like the one Chiloe posted, but in new shiny condition?
Let us be sure that Missing Link/Holy Grail carabiner does have some lettering still on it.
Brokedownclimber mentioned: Re cleaning up corroded and crapped up metal: use a ammo reloader's vibratory case cleaner with corncob polishing media. Run it overnight and all the corrosion will be gone leaving bright clean metal behind. No worry about chewing off the raised lettering.
As Thogon mentions: it would be possible to tumble an aluminum biner long enough to remove all markings.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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A more pristine example of Version I is necessary to really put this to bed. The ability to identify the first run of this particular carabiner is historically significant. Even breaking down the five different designs identified in the Chouinard literature is challenging with all the resources available here on the ST.
Fun to put it all together! Who doesn't like a good quest, after all!
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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The Holy Grail is awesome!
Now we all see that Steve has been hiding it all along.
Rock on! Marty
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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I told them we already had one!
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Just rumaged to the bottom of the closet looking for other
pre-67 Chouinards, but that one is the only survivor. It
never occurred to me over the years to set aside and not
use up the old gear.
I do have a dozen or so of the 1968-71 model and half a dozen
more of the 1971-72 Chouinard/Salewa defective ones, with that
indistinct T for tested stamp.
Found a few Eigers down there, but the Bedayns and Stubai steel
have long since vanished.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Were it not for Tom's memory, I wouldn't even know to try to find such an obscure carabiner! Somebody will pull one off of hammock duty!
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Time to check the bilge for some old Chouniard biners.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Cool, Joe.
That one is in fairly good condition, compared to some.
With the typical faint CHOUINARD lettering.
How did it get those grooves? From hauling / pivoting in pitons/hangers?
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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I am shameless Clint-these were used as a backup to failed gear on long ocean passages.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Harrr! Belay that request me hearty! As long as I don't disturb anyone's siesta!
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 05:05pm PT
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Guido- Any chance that you could measure the CHOUINARD lettering on your Alcoa?
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2010 - 05:52pm PT
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Guido: I've heard of sleeping with stuff you like, but never of using old Chouinard biners for your hammock.
Also: I am still hoping that some sailor like you bought and saved a Chouinard Marinabiner.
It is a large, black, Reverse-Locking D from the 1980's. Anyone want to share a photo of one with this thread?
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Dec 11, 2010 - 05:59pm PT
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Sorry Steve, the hammock is in Santa Cruz and I am in NZ. Will have to wait until the sun again is high in the northern hemisphere for me to plop into the hammock.
Searching the bilge at this very moment for a black, reverse Marineerbiner.......................
Somewhere, I do have a stash of old Chouinard biners..............oh lordy what storage unit, what country and what box?
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Dec 11, 2010 - 06:26pm PT
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Fritz-voila, sitting out on the lifeline in the cockpit, all ready to have the locking device freed up again for the season. "Corrosion Resistant"? Always difficult to get use to the "reverse" concept. We now use these as a backup for hookup to the chest harness in nasty conditions or for a quick attachment to the security of the cockpit. Quite a stash of these Marinabiners onboard.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2010 - 10:56pm PT
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Guido! Dude! You sly sailor-man!
Thanks for the great Chouinard Marinabiner photos! (I liked the one of where it has been on your rigging, for the last 25 or so years,
I will put the great photos in the Chouinard biner timeline, on page one of this thread, with due credit to you.
Thank you so much!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2010 - 11:32pm PT
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OOOOps!!! my last Chouinard Carabiner timeline post on page one of this thread was: Nov 26, 2010 with, Part 2 of Chouinard Carabiners: 1980-1989.
It has been too long, since then: to edit that post.
Here is the catalog poop on Guido's photos of his Chouinard Marinibiner.
It has been sailing with him since the 1980's.
It was produced: 1983 to 1988.
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