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Gene
Social climber
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Jun 11, 2010 - 02:35pm PT
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Jun 11, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
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I notice all you naysayers have not commented on how well she kept it together in what must have felt like a pretty desperate situation.
She apparently made all the right moves with her death staring her in the face. Not sure I could have kept it together and I'm 51.
A lot of this badrapping sounds like misogyny to me. What's the matter, can't relate to a 16 year old girl who in my book is a lot bigger stud than most of you naysayers?
I have participated in sports all my life, and some of the studdest, bravest athletes I knew were girls.
Anyone on this discussion who thinks they could have beaten Missy "The Missle" Giove in a downhill race is probably sadly mistaken. Same for Lindsey Vonn and Julia Mancuso. Anyone here who says they could beat them on skis is probably delusional.
Personally, I'm glad their parents let them ski 100 miles an hour before they were old enough to drive.
I'm glad my parents let me do anything I wanted, even things that made them too afraid to watch. It's a great blessing to have had parents who accepted me for what I was. I could not have loved my parents more, they were the greatest blessing I recieved in life.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 11, 2010 - 03:05pm PT
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Why would a 16 year old girl WANT to spend a year alone?
Does anyone think that is healthy?
Glad she's OK and it looks like she'll be rescued unharmed. Maybe now she (and her family) can focus on what they hell makes them so dysfunctional and get some help.
Oh, and sailing around with all the electronics (including the bat signal, which she used) and modern survival stuff seems to make this type of sailing the climbing equivalent to toproping--maybe seems dangerous to people who know nothing about it, but it's really hard to see how anything can go wrong when you can crawl in your rescue suit and hit the bat signal anytime you want.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Jun 11, 2010 - 06:09pm PT
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Oh, and sailing around with all the electronics (including the bat signal, which she used) and modern survival stuff seems to make this type of sailing the climbing equivalent to toproping--maybe seems dangerous to people who know nothing about it, but it's really hard to see how anything can go wrong when you can crawl in your rescue suit and hit the bat signal anytime you want.
I think you are kidding, yes? If not then perhaps watch the last scene in "The Perfect Storm" To me this would be like saying climbing El Cap isn't what it used to be because you can now take your cell phone, have Tom watch you from the Bridge and you wear capilene instead of wool. Crawling into your suvival suit is not the cozy "as seen on TV...but wait there is more" Snuggly robe. The first printed instruction on how to put on your survival suit is "stay calm" The next is "keep your shoes on" and I have always suspected that between the two they left out "yer gonna die".
The sailing equivalent to top roping might be sailing up and down the Oakland Estuary then heading into OYC for dinner or if you are climbing I guess it would be Nicelys.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Jun 11, 2010 - 08:39pm PT
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Geraldo Rivera said-
"These parents are guilty of child endangerment."
Thank the Gods Geraldo Rivera isn't King of America.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 11, 2010 - 08:47pm PT
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Jesus!
In some countries, 16-year-olds are carrying Kalashnikovs and answer to "Sergeant".
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Jun 11, 2010 - 10:57pm PT
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Glad she's alive....Someone with "real" dreams is a commodity today.
Let's burn Heraldo at the stake...POS.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Jun 11, 2010 - 11:05pm PT
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If your opinion lines up with Geraldo's I think you might want to reconsider.
I'm just sayin, "Put Geraldo in the Vault"!!!!!666.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 11, 2010 - 11:33pm PT
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I think you are kidding, yes? If not then perhaps watch the last scene in "The Perfect Storm" To me this would be like saying climbing El Cap isn't what it used to be because you can now take your cell phone, have Tom watch you from the Bridge and you wear capilene instead of wool. Crawling into your suvival suit is not the cozy "as seen on TV...but wait there is more" Snuggly robe. The first printed instruction on how to put on your survival suit is "stay calm" The next is "keep your shoes on" and I have always suspected that between the two they left out "yer gonna die".
The sailing equivalent to top roping might be sailing up and down the Oakland Estuary then heading into OYC for dinner or if you are climbing I guess it would be Nicelys.
No, I am not kidding. I think it would be like climbing El Cap knowing that there is a team of highly trained professionals that can get your ass out of any trouble, wherever, whenever, as soon as you ask.
Oh wait, that is like climbing El Cap. My bad.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Jun 12, 2010 - 01:51am PT
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"No, I am not kidding. I think it would be like climbing El Cap knowing that there is a team of highly trained professionals that can get your ass out of any trouble, wherever, whenever, as soon as you ask.
Oh wait, that is like climbing El Cap. My bad. "
So when a big flake chops your rope I guess maybe you can land on Werner, huh?
I never went anywhere thinking if I got in trouble someone else would bail me out and I'm sure this kiddo didn't either. She was carrying lifesaving gear mostly required by law. This is true even on boats here in the desert and the Coast Guard enforces the law.
You are an idiot if you think an epirb guaranties you immediate rescue anywhere, much less the vastness of the Pacific and Indian Oceans. Face it, she is a big stud and you are a big spud.
Lets hear it for the youth of America, crazy dreams and all!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 12, 2010 - 02:09am PT
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She was carrying a gun with her too.
What do you think of that, Nick?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 12, 2010 - 03:16am PT
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From the LA Times:
"University of Southern California sociologist Julie Albright attributes the rush to perform such feats of skill and endurance at least in part to parents pushing their kids to excel beyond all expectations.
"These kids are raised with the notion that every kid gets a trophy and every kid is more intelligent and better than all the others," said Albright, who is also a veteran sailor and former commodore of Southern California's South Bay Yacht Racing Club.
Even if Sunderland is physically capable of making the journey, Albright questions whether she or any 16-year-old really has the maturity to do so. She said studies show the human brain does not develop its full potential for reasoning until a person is in their 20s."
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I mean, isn't it a funny coincidence, that of all the many thousands of kid sailors in the entire US, only two attempted this in the last year....and they were brother and sister?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jun 12, 2010 - 07:41am PT
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I read a book when I was a Kid about a 16yr old boy sailing around the world. I Think his boat was the Lonesome Dove? No one though he was crazy or over driven. That was back in the sixtys.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jun 12, 2010 - 07:52am PT
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I feel that all the youngest to do whatever records are misguided.
Sailing arround the world just for the sake of the journey on the other hand is pretty cool.
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Tobia
Social climber
GA
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Jun 12, 2010 - 08:13am PT
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Werner:
The limits that are being pushed is simply the circumnavigating of the globe in a sailboat by herself.
There is the limit of her willingness to pursue her goal to the end, without quitting.
The limits being pushed is facing the dangers of the open sea in a boat; well equipped as it might be it is still a little boat in an extreme environment.
The technology does lend aid; it makes certain steps less time consuming, more accurate but the work of sailing and facing the elements is still there.
Example: GPS navigation; she doesn't have to read a sextant every night and look at the charts, but I would more than bet that she has one, all the charts and knows how to read it. I am sure she does it each evening as well.
Another limit is being able to man helm, work the sails and other aspects of sailing and not let her mindset and confidence erode with the inevitable self doubt and questions that she is bound to have bouncing around in her head.
Is the challenge of the adventure less of a challenge than it would have been 50 years ago? Technically speaking yes, but all the other aspects are still there as she has to face the weather, the sea, the split minute decisions, etc.
Put another way, is there a challenge for you going on a SAR mission this year compared to your days 30 years ago? I don't think anyone would say no. You have much more equipment, technology, and assistance but you still are risking your life and having to go to extremes to rescue someone.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Jun 12, 2010 - 11:37am PT
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She was carrying a gun with her too.
I am actually opposed to guns however our large crusing boat has a small gun locker and when traveling to sketchy areas there is a gun in that locker. Its unfortunate but there are still pirates out there and other crazies that somehow manage to make it to the damndest remote places in the South Pacific and will think nothing of throwing you overboard and taking your boat. Let alone some of the coastal crusing areas around Central and South America. Lottsa true stories about cruisers and pirates.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Jun 12, 2010 - 12:01pm PT
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chaz were did you see she had a gun? in most countries that will get you a couple years in prison. i Know she had no plans to stop, but if she crossed into anyones national waters they have the right to board & search.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 12, 2010 - 12:28pm PT
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She has a gun. In one of the sketchy things that happened to her brother, his boat was approached by what was thought to be pirates, and he was on the sat phone to his father, who told him to get the gun out and ready. Zach has relayed this story on several public occasions. I can't believe they'd send out the daughter less well prepared.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 12, 2010 - 03:06pm PT
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Tradman trivia- Robin Graham aboard the Dove. I followed it in National Geo about the time I was learning to sail.
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