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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sometimes it's darkest before you see the light.
What means the most to you in this life?
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Anastasia
climber
hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.
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Very depressing to see how the cycle formed before he took his own life. He really was a great guy...
It's ridicules to tear apart others as if people are indestructible. We are not. Words can kill and... They can save. Be careful what you say.
We need each other, we need to be there because it does count in a million ways.
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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toadgas, I suspect depression is at least as common in the broader public as it is within the climbing community. One difference we might note is that people feel more comfortable sharing with "strangers" in this forum more readily than walking down the street or with someone you met 5 minutes ago climbing. So we actually become aware of the issue here, where we normally walk past it in our tangible life. How many people meet your eyes when you walk down the street? Mostly people are too busy or too afraid to see or be seen.
I think there is something therapeutic in these forums, something that makes it easier for some people to connect in a personally meaningful way more frequently than they are able to do in tangible life (either because of personal inhibitions, or work schedules, geographic isolation, or whatever). I think this is true for me at least.
+1 for what Anastasia said.
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Tobia
Social climber
GA
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Toadgas,
You hit the nail on the head. The days I feel "good" are the ones that at the days end I am completely exhausted from activities out of doors. It isn't always aerobic or fast paced activities like running. Mainly tasks like splitting wood, moving dirt or any other energy depleting activity. Activities that are more aligned with work than pleasure. Leisure activities per se seem less fulfilling than stacking stones.
I don't get the endorphin rush as I do with something like a long run; more of a satisfied mind because I have earned my salt or something like that.
Anastasia,
May your kindness seep through all the posts on this forum.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Isn't it about the one year anniversary of Juan's death? Still think about him often.
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Papillon Rendre
Social climber
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Jun 13, 2011 - 11:05pm PT
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My son's close friend hung himself last Friday.
Tyler was the happiest young man and he never showed any signs of depression or sadness. The entire sophomore class loved him.
He was an athlete, scholar and barely 16.
I googled teen suicide and was shocked to learn the percentage of teens who attempt suicide and the percentage who succeed.
Please keep your children safe.
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Anastasia
climber
hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.
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Jun 13, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
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Life is stranger than fiction. Really is...
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jun 13, 2011 - 11:23pm PT
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I'm sorry about your sons friend. I hid my problems with depression all through High school. I was seen as a happy kid. Now.. Most days I'm surprised I'm still alive.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Jun 14, 2011 - 12:25am PT
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what I'd like to know If a person is put on an SSRI and they go totally manic are they bipolar?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jun 14, 2011 - 12:55am PT
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what I'd like to know If a person is put on an SSRI and they go totally manic are they bipolar?
WARNING.. what you are about to read is opinion. I am not a doctor. ( I know you know that, but some people freak out.. eek!!! )
There are studies that say SSRIs can cause mania.. Here is a page with a bunch of studies. I don't know how legit they are.
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/antidepressants-ADF.htm
Scroll down a ways and look at the headings.
Here is just one of them..
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/paxil-study-mania.htm
By the way.. which SSRI? I have had SSRI induced mania.
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Maybe one of the docs will chime in.
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damo62
Social climber
Brisbane
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Jun 14, 2011 - 12:59am PT
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Karen,
A long time ago I was prescribed Zoloft and left unsupervised and in retrospect I believe I was manic for a few months. I have never been diagnosed as bipolar just depressed. Recently I decided to stop taking psych meds altogether, replacing them with daily qigong practise, I've never felt better (touch wood).
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
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I forget what I was searching for, but I came across this.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 16, 2012 - 12:05am PT
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On April 1, 2010, Jeff Batten posted:
For the last month I have been trying to beat my depression with will power alone. This is not working, I cannot sleep, I grow more fatigued each day and start thinking dark thoughs.
I have family mememeber telling me to just snap out of it. I wish it was that easy.
Its like getting up a climb without the necessary strenght to do the moves.
I had to call in sick to work as I sleept 1 hour.
Whats the next step I need to take. New Doctor. Hospital.
I am starting to give up hope.
A little compassion and suggestions would be very nice.
Juan
On May 25, 2010 he was gone.
Public records show that our friend Jeff Batten has left us, on May 25th, 2010
He posted as Juan de fuca, prowsolo, the general, rockstar, lostarrow and other alias.
And he was the original internet troll on the subject of climbing, dating far back into the usenet board Rec.climbing, before the web had such communications.
For a long time, Jeff's posts were merely trolls, sometime appreciated, sometimes resented. But as time went on, Jeff opening up and shared more and more of himself with the online community. His scientific interests, his struggles with physical pain and depression, and his explorations into spirituality. He was our taco seismograph.
I choose to believe that Jeff is relieved from his struggles now, after facing them and exploring many ways of inner peace. I offer condolences for those who knew and will miss him. We will.
Perhaps we can post some of his classic trolls, cartoons featuring Jeff by Ouch (another fallen brother) and some of his other sharings.
Fly high Jeff, on your greatest adventure since soloing the Prow.
Peace
Karl
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other
Trad climber
LA, CA
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Nov 16, 2012 - 04:10am PT
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My climbing partner killed himself. He was clinically depressed and would not take prescribed meds. He was 45.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Nov 16, 2012 - 01:56pm PT
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I have suffered a few periods in my life where I could not sleep for months on end. It just hammers a person and makes living day to day very difficult.
I was lucky enough to know the real cause of this state. It was always work related, working too hard, working in the wrong situation, work stress etc.
I am fortunate that I was able to go to part time work(60%) in blocks so I have 12 days off at a time. The time off means I can spend lots of time in the outdoors, do a lot more climbing, and take some good holidays. This has the effect of cleaning my brain so I am enthusiastic and very productive when I get back to work. My productivity per hour has increased so my employers are actually getting a good deal.
People are reluctant to talk about their problems because we don't want to be seen as weak.
If you can identify the underlying cause of the issues then there is the possibility of fixing things.
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covelocos
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Nov 16, 2012 - 02:14pm PT
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I suffered what felt like a bout of depression in the 90's when 'we' invaded Kuait. Listening to NPR describe bombs falling while my children ran naked thru the poppies in the meadow. This lasted several months and resulted in alienating myself from my family and friends. I found relief one day in about ten min. when I came across the mental health chapter in 'The Better Homes and gardens guide to family health'. I know that my problem is not the same as anyone else necessarily. but to gain that insight saved me from who knows what. Oh yeah. then I found climbing!
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Yosemite, ca
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Nov 16, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
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So what was your insight Cove?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Aug 12, 2014 - 10:32am PT
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Look, the fact that you've been through what you've been through personally should be the evidence I point to.
The fact that you are here to write this should be enough to stick with it. A new idea is just around the corner, a new way of thinking about this happens.
If you notice yourself starting to cycle your thoughts, shut it off with a hum (secret - you are in control of your head more than you think).
Keep it up
Cheers
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