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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 20, 2010 - 06:23pm PT
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Psychedelics enabled a whole generation of suburbanites to experience what shamans and whole tribes have experienced since the beginning of time. Few would condemn Native Americans who ingest psychedeics as part of their religion, so why the double standard in regard to the children of the routinized, mechanistic society the rest of us live in, for doing the same?
There were a few tragedies along the way. On the other hand, six kids I went to school with (my graduating class was 50) were killed in car accidents by the age of 18, due to teenage drinking and driving. I'm quite sure the trippers got more that was valuable for life out of their drug than the drinkers ever did.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 20, 2010 - 07:34pm PT
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i wouldn't say ingesting the actual chemical is healthy, but the thoughts and ideas that come with it can be amazing, even after the high is gone. i wouldn't be who I am today if it wasn't for all the LSD and mushrooms.
Like the Greatful Dead said..."wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world..."
on that note, I haven't tripped out in years, I feel that I got what I need from it. When I was in high school, I had no worries, no pressing issues wighing heavy on the back of my mind. These days, it all comes out, and I find that I am not able to relax and let go, dive into it. The last time was perfect, we drank some tea and bouldered till 3 in the am. I remember dancing on the top of a boulder to Frank Zappa singing "My guitar wants to kill you mamma"
and now, I think, I am finished.
Badda-bing!!!! i agree....
Glad I took the rides, don't need it now. I've seen it.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 20, 2010 - 08:05pm PT
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I took peyote once, acid twice and it changed my world view forever.
After that I lived with Tibetans and Sherpas and saw amazing things I would not have been open to without it. The next step was to meditate as they did and get to the same places without the drugs.
The next stage seems to be trying to see the world with fresh eyes, original insights, and few to no preconceptions everyday, without either drugs or meditation. Not there yet.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Mar 21, 2010 - 04:05pm PT
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Well... it's not for everyone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76yWZcsgwF8&NR=1
I had many [bad trips]. Jesus Christ. I stopped taking it cause of that. I mean I just…couldn’t stand it. I dropped it for I don’t know how long. Then I started taking it just before I met Yoko. I got a message that you should destroy your ego, and I did. I was reading that stupid book of Leary’s and all that stupid sh#t. We were going through the whole game that everybody went through. And I destroyed meself.
John Lennon, 1970 Rolling Stone interview
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Mar 21, 2010 - 04:08pm PT
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it's is completely cool to turn reality on it's lid,
and shake all of the change out of its pockets.
as long as you wisely invest the loose sense that you see wrolling down the sidewalk.
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
Green Cove slabbage BITD!
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Mar 21, 2010 - 04:32pm PT
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Ya know, wes, the theory of the guy in your video link is that people may be innately hardwired through our genes to appreciate the psychedelic experience.
This does not jibe with your dismissal of homo suburbanus' ability to find true meaning therein.
So, which is it?
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Mar 21, 2010 - 04:36pm PT
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weschrist, im beneath the government's blanket and it is not cozy under here.
all the songs of meaning are muffled.
i cant breath. the light is gone.
fears flourish. insecurity screams its lies.
who am i?
thus, unhearalded discipline.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 21, 2010 - 04:36pm PT
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If I were to drop acid (not at all likely), would I see this?
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Mar 21, 2010 - 04:38pm PT
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no mister mighty,
you wouldn't see. and that is the beauty.
in what lies behind the scene.
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
Green Cove slabbage BITD!
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Mar 21, 2010 - 05:02pm PT
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You use that line a lot?
We're all doing the best we can...lots of folks encounter drugs before they run into ancient cultures or 'yaqui wisdom' or rosary beads or what have ya. You can't fault people for trying.
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
Green Cove slabbage BITD!
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Mar 21, 2010 - 05:05pm PT
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um, the sex one. Forget it.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 21, 2010 - 07:05pm PT
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The entheogenic orgy of the late 60's and 70's was as much a legitimate spiritual experience as retrobolting El Cap into a sport crag is a legitimate climbing experience.
I do agree with this and I think you will find if you go to spiritual retreats where people got interested in more traditional forms of spirituality first through their use of psychedelics, that they only took it a few times and then moved on.
One of the big disappointments was how few people of all those who experimented used it for anything other than recreation. The dream of instant Nirvana was sold out to capitalism which laced acid with all that other stuff but also to the ancient desire of humans to have something for nothing.
At least with peyote you knew what you were getting and you suffered physically in order to enjoy (you will never know nausea until you ingest peyote) - a much more realistic experience with a lesson for life.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 21, 2010 - 08:03pm PT
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I remember when this LSD first hit the Bay Area big time in the 60's.
The "hippy" said I will take this "LSD" and become god.
He "took".....
He then stood on the peninsula commuter train tracks and said; "I am now god almighty and will stop the train!"
He did stop the train, after it ran him over ...........
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 21, 2010 - 08:13pm PT
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It's true it really happened.
If you go to the microfilm of the "San Francisco Chronicle" way back in those days you'll see all kinds of crazy sh'it that happened.
Another hippy fell down an elevator shaft on cid in Frisco and lived with minor injuries they said.
The hippy said it was a wonderful trip floating down .........
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
Green Cove slabbage BITD!
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Mar 21, 2010 - 08:46pm PT
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I personally do not feel that I myself am in any position to tell another human being what did or did not constitute their 'legitimate' spiritual experience.
That's what popes are for.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 22, 2010 - 12:51am PT
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Pate-
What in the world is Lawassa?
Sounds like it could be the root they chew and spit out
and then drink again in parts of Polynesia?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 22, 2010 - 01:14am PT
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Rokjox-
I'm sitting here scratching my head as to how you think I agree with Weschrist? It seems like he and I are on opposite sides of the fence on almost every thread that has anything to do with religion, spirituality, or counter culture?
And I agree with your assessment of the hippies. I never was one but I participated in plenty of peace marches and other political acts to stop that horrible war and to bring about civil rights for all.
Heck, I even think it was dumb to introduce Canadian wolves to the lower 48.
So how is it you and I are on opposite sides and Weschrist and I are going over the edge together?
Help, somebody here must be hallucinating!
Is it me?
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enjoimx
Big Wall climber
SLO Cal
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Breaking Open The Head was written by Daniel Pinchbeck. I saw him speak at a music festival once. Great book. I like the parts about Burning Man, as I can personally relate to what he is saying.
Another great book on the subject, one of the best actually, is called "DMT: The Spirit Molecule"
DMT, a much more potent and serious psychedelic than acid, is actually also created by our own body, and is thought to be released upon death.
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