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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Feb 22, 2010 - 05:00pm PT
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Only the extreme view points seem to be represented here. On the one hand we have those that think that gun use should be completely unfettered at all National Parks. Then on the other hand we have those that think the opposite, that there is no place for any guns in any parks.
How about we allow permits to be issued for CERTAIN guns in CERTAIN parks, where one might reasonably need to defend against bear predation. And I mean only places where the grizzly is found, not Yosemite. A hand gun would not qualify; only certain rifles would.
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dktem
Trad climber
Temecula
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Feb 22, 2010 - 05:47pm PT
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I thought the purpose of parks was to protect bears from people...
It is. The entire National Park System is nothing but a tree-hugging leftist plot.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 22, 2010 - 06:01pm PT
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"The entire National Park System is nothing but a tree-hugging leftist plot."
Wow- that's an exceptionally stooopid comment. I hope you have never displayed your hypocrisy by visiting the National Parks and enjoying any of the features that most assuredly would have been mined, logged, dammed, or otherwise developed or destroyed.
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dktem
Trad climber
Temecula
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Feb 22, 2010 - 06:08pm PT
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Dude, it was sarcasm.
When it comes to the environment, I certainly am one of those liberals. (Not so much on other issues...)
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apogee
climber
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Feb 22, 2010 - 06:09pm PT
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Sorry, dktem...you just can't tell in a thread like this- there are more than a few who have posted thusfar who feel exactly that way.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 22, 2010 - 06:25pm PT
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Thats funny Mtmun.
The reason they ask about guns is because guns have serial numbers therefore if you say "yes" then you have just blown your fourth ammendment rights and handed the ranger or cop a free search warrant to inspect a potentially stolen lethal weapon and of course anything else they can find in the process.
One of the oldest tricks in the book.
Am I right Fattrad?
This won't stop them from asking; quite the contrary.
Even my highly ethical lawyer (as opposed to the others) says you should SAY "NO".
You have rights. If you don't preserve them you damn well don't deserve them!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 22, 2010 - 06:34pm PT
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Apparently Wes doesn't know his fourth from his second.
Why does this not surprise me?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 22, 2010 - 06:42pm PT
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The US was invaded by England during the War of 1812.
Any of you smarty pantses ever hear of the Star Spangled Banner?
Anyway, England had some initial success in that war and even sacked Washington D.C. before the invading army was driven out.
There were also a lot of bandit attacks against the US committed by Mexicans (Pancho Villa etc.). Prolly be more of that in the future.
You all may not like those rednecks with their shotguns but if it wasn't for them, we might be speaking Japanese or Spanish or real English--the horror.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 22, 2010 - 07:05pm PT
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Me, I just flash them the badge and start shooting. Flashing anything else of yours might lead to a different reaction. :-)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 22, 2010 - 07:05pm PT
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Haha.
(Actually they're were not prohibitted but required to be cased and unloaded)
Blahblah knows his history but failed to mention our own Kamikaze that, like the "divine wind" that sank the Mongol fleet, succeeded in turning back those fish & chips eating barbarians.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 22, 2010 - 07:08pm PT
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Hey Reilly, that sort of gun didn't stop the dinos in Jurassic Park III.
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Feb 22, 2010 - 08:12pm PT
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"You are sleeping under the trees and you hear a noise. You look out of the tent and see a shape and start firing."
Bummer, I guess that means no more milling about Camp 4 in the middle of the night dressed in my bigfoot costume...
In all reallity, the thugs already have been and will continue to carry their deuce-deuces into the park to defend themselves against baby's daddy...
while the patriots have been and will continue packing heat, because it was always their right to do so.
I don't see much changing in Yosemite... maybe just a few gun battles over those free $1.50 half dome permits.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 22, 2010 - 08:22pm PT
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I'm naive but, what's a "shoot gun," Coz? Calm minds want to know.
Guns are like helmets, sure they have their uses, but if you think you're covered, just because you have one, you're better off without. So are your neighbors, like me.
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habitat
climber
grass pass
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Feb 22, 2010 - 08:24pm PT
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Donini: Because we live in a country where the political process is dominated by that sterling example of where the evolutionary process has failed- male Caucasians..
I love white men. Got nothing against guns either, per se.
Wouldn't want to live in a country without either one.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 22, 2010 - 08:26pm PT
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WTF is up with you supertopo drama queens?
Guys have been packing the heat for years in the park and nothing has happened.
Half the SAR team all had guns. I had a 30.06 in my trunk.
Big f*kin deal, nothings changed except now you don't get busted.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Last clip of Lichen Lunch
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Feb 22, 2010 - 08:35pm PT
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"Drama Queens".....Haha!
Just GOTTA have something to spew about, huh?
Non event, I say.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 22, 2010 - 08:53pm PT
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Well Coz, if Werner's 30.06 is a BAR I'll take that, but realistically a good riot gun is the ticket, alternating loads of buck and slug.
If pounds count I might consider a .44mag but it is a tough call.
A telve bore is far more versatile. .44s are poor combat weapons unless loaded with .44S&W spl.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Feb 22, 2010 - 08:56pm PT
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A lot of BS to sift through here.
This argument is always used as some kind of catalyst to project your own thoughts about the other side of the fence.
Big picture - In california, will this have any effect? Are you kidding me? People that have right to conceal permits are the ones to fear, really? What about the ones who carry them WITHOUT a permit?
Some of you beg for the legalization of pot, saying "people are using ANYWAYS, so just make it legal!" Well, people are taking guns into parks ANYWAY. Use the same logic for making Mary J legal. Control it.
Coz, of course, makes great points that give relevancy to certain parks. Does it really matter in Cali, either way? No.
Like I said, this issue is just like Gay Marriage, its a reason for a**holes to pick sides and grab pitchforks. I don't carry guns, nor am I ever likely to be accosted by a man or woman legally carrying one, so I don't have a pony in this race. Its paranoid fears that the gays are going to take over the world, or the "red necks" are going to shoot at bears.
Come on guys. Use some common sense.
No one is going to pop a cap in you while you tug your tubesteak in Camp four, and your son is going to be gay because you hit him not because its legal.
Oh, and Flouride....
THIS IS A CLIMBING SITE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!
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Srbphoto
Trad climber
Kennewick wa
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Feb 22, 2010 - 09:04pm PT
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great, now I have to change the ending to my xtranormal animations about the HD fee.
Old version:
Ranger: I have a gun! Tourist: Do you have change for a five?
New version:
Ranger I have a gun! Tourist: Mine's bigger!
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