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deuce4
Big Wall climber
the Southwest
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 3, 2005 - 09:58pm PT
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I'm putting together a informal vertical rope rescue course for some folks around here. Any ideas?
Hauling past a knot, litter techniques, helicopter awareness, that kind of thing.
Specific situations from latest experience would be welcome.
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WBraun
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Scree Evac remember that one John and I’m sure you do. This is the biggy, the one most used in rope rescue and most misunderstood. Most people on a steep slope try to carry the litter instead of ride with the litter. For going up, a straight one to one thru a prusik minding pulley works perfect. For going down brake bar is nice.
You guys have a wheel out there for the litter?
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WBraun
climber
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Another one that crossed my mind would be a simple high line where scree evac would be to perilous. Those are helpful in situations where it's a bit to steep for a regular scree evac. These high lines work great and have really saved us a lot of headaches that would otherwise have been encountered.
The highline might be too complex for your needs?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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How about terrain assessment. Anticipating and mitigating logjams through wise distribution of human and other resources.
Also, pre-incident liason with cooperative agencies to enhance efficiency.
Also, a proactive program that interfaces with user groups meant to reduce the number of victims to begin with.
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
the Southwest
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2005 - 11:49pm PT
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About those highlines, Werner, usually off trees? I notice the Kootanay carriage is popular these days. On river rescue, we've set up a lot of tyrollians, but haven't used a highline much.
Now that I think about it, it would have been good on that first rescue I did in Yosemite back in '84. I think you were on it. We had to pull that guy out of a chimney (he only had half a head) after a fall (was it overhanging bypass?)-- some 5.6 the guy was soloing, but it was underrated. He was a big guy and we had a hell of a time lowering him off the series of ledges to the skree below. Remember we brought that new ranger along who really didn't know how to move around up there on the cliffs, and we had to spend a bunch of time belaying him down as well as the litter. Anyway, tell me more about highlines,if you could. Thanks!
We did a rescue here recently that was exactly your tip #1 on the scree.
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WBraun
climber
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Well John I remember the one you’re talking about over by the Brideviel falls, left overhang bypass area. That was a thrasher, ha ha ha.
Yea they look pretty bad sometimes (victims}, eh.
The high lines are like lowering someone down a steep low angle cliff that’s to hard to carry with the litter but to low angle to do a regular lower. The litter attendant and patient can be raised and lowered from touching the terrain as needed. Kind of like a zip line with a belay and main line. The highline would be the third rope. Lots of resources used for that. Kind off weird for me to describe in words. You don’t need a Kootanay for it.
A nine to one z- rig is used at the bottom to adjust the highline along with a brake rack for feeding out the highline. Requires having a few rescuers working the bottom part for the raising and lowering of the highline.
You can make your anchors off anything available that will work for you.
You'll figure it out anyways as I know you ......best wishes, Werner
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WBraun
climber
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Here is a nice litter raise shot on some little cliff out in back. Remember this kind off stuff uh John.
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
the Southwest
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2005 - 09:47am PT
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Thanks Werner, I'll be trying out a highline here soon. Three lines, one fixed, one lower, one belay. Highline can be tightened or loosened at will.
Nice shot with a little exposure, eh?
Say hello to Mr. Dill too if you see him, I may try calling the cache soon.
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Good Morning!
climber
Prescott, AZ
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Hey John,
I have a couple of excellent handouts on highline rigging. Email me with an address and I'll drop them in the mail to you.
Martin
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