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apogee
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Jan 12, 2009 - 10:54pm PT
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Watching that video is kinda like waking up after a nightmare and replaying it in your head.
It would seem that US voting citizens 'misunderestimated' Shrub.
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apogee
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Jan 12, 2009 - 11:06pm PT
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LEB, you give this administration far more credit than they are probably due. Yes, there has not been another 9/11 since 9/11, and there have been no asteroids that have struck the earth, either.
OK, maybe a hyperbolic example, but the claim that Shrub has 'protected' us from another attack is just plain Murdoch/Fox perpetuated Krap®. How many other things that have NOT happened shall he take credit for?
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philo
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boulder, co.
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Jan 12, 2009 - 11:10pm PT
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Except Lois that he wasn't elected to fight a "War on Terror".
He promoted himself as the "Washington Outsider", the "Education President" and a "Political Reformer".
It was only after the economy was tanking, his approval rating was flushing down the toilet and he pulled the US out of several critical international treaties (little things like the convention against torture) that the ever so remarkably convenient 911 attack occurred to justify his every subsequent move. Of all things the only thing he accomplished from his politically stated goals was being the "Education President". In spite of the fact that his unfunded "No Child Left Behind" mandate and his forcing of test based education coupled with the relentless promoting of "Faith Based" education and the lunacy of the voucher program has all but strangled public education to death, he sure gave us an education on the dangers of unrestricted neoconsrvative control of power and purse strings.
So step right up and take a bow Mr. soon to be EX (illegal) President.
I hope the next shoe thrown your way gets wedged in your O ring!
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 12, 2009 - 11:15pm PT
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See above.
Lois eating pretzels without choking is maximizing his multi tasking abilities.
911 happened after he stole the first election.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jan 12, 2009 - 11:18pm PT
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It's unfortunate that only Al Jazeera broadcast that report.
Of course, none of the MSN would carry that here. . .
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jan 12, 2009 - 11:21pm PT
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The No Child Left Behind crusade also had a small issue - schools that wanted federal funding had to allow military recruiters access to the students and provide them with student contact lists.
"No Child Left Behind" indeed.
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andanother
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Jan 12, 2009 - 11:30pm PT
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LEB,
I can never figure out if you're a troll, or if you're genuinely dumb.
Today, I'm leaning more towards "troll". Here's why:
A long time ago, I remember you posting a comment similar to the one you posted above. If I had more time, I would dig it up. Unfortunately I'm not going to sort through 20,000 posts tonight.
In that thread, I explained to you why your reasoning was faulty. And I distinctly remember you saying that I was correct. You agreed that Bush should NOT be given credit for "preventing" terrorist attacks. 9/11 happened on his watch, and if we give him credit for preventing a terrorist attack, then we must also give him credit for ALLOWING the single greatest attack on American soil.
It stands out in my mind because it is the only time in the history of this forum where someone has actually said to me "hey, you're right and I'm wrong".
But now, once again, you are trying to give him credit for preventing terrorist attacks. So one can only assume you are trolling.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jan 12, 2009 - 11:42pm PT
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Lois-ification of another thread. All right!
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andanother
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Jan 12, 2009 - 11:47pm PT
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"Does that mean that if you tell me something, I automatically must accept it. "
No. I'm not saying that at all. You're entitled to draw your own conclusions on anything, regardless of what anyone says to you.
But this situation was different. You AGREED with me. You agreed that Bush should NOT be given credit for preventing anything.
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Fixdpin
Trad climber
Porterville,CA
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Jan 13, 2009 - 12:28am PT
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LEB
Bush has kept the U.S. from being the victim of any more attacks by terrorists? A tiger escaped from the San Francisco zoo and killed a young man. An insane street person now sits at the entrance to the F.S. zoo and waves a magic wand. When asked why, the man tells people it keeps the tigers from escaping and killing any more citizens of San Francisco. Bush's efforts have not kept terrorists from attacking us again. The terrorists have said that they will suspend any more planned attacks until they have an opportunity to do something bigger than 911. Our borders are little safer than they were in 2000. It is not a matter of if, but of when. Mr. Bush will take credit for anything he can that is positive and deny culpability for anything that went wrong on his watch.
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apogee
climber
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Jan 13, 2009 - 12:38am PT
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Ack.
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Wonder
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WA
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Jan 13, 2009 - 02:10am PT
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 13, 2009 - 05:08am PT
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Come on Lois, you have plenty of data regarding terrorist attacks.
How many foreign terrorist attacks in the US during it's entire history?
Bush gets no credit. In fact, what he did needlessly cost thousands of more American lives in Iraq. For more than would likely be lost in some "maybe" terrorist attack that statistically shouldn't happen again for 100 years.
PEace
karl
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 13, 2009 - 08:27am PT
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Why do some of you even bother trying to carry on a rational and logical conversation with Lois?
Sort of like beating your head against a wall.
Fattrad, he won't end up on Rushmore, but if he did, I'd climbing it and lay a turd on his nose.
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Prod
Trad climber
A place w/o Avitars apparently
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Jan 13, 2009 - 08:55am PT
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Against my better judgement I have read another political thread. My politics aside I am curious about this statement.
Walleye said
"hey lois, you don't get it do you.
"namely no further Al Quaeda attacks on the homeland. "
There never was an Al Quaeda attack on American soil. At least, not on 9-11. "
Am I missing something?
Prod.
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TwistedCrank
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Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day
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Jan 13, 2009 - 09:20am PT
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Darn.
I thought this thread was going to be about porn.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 13, 2009 - 01:35pm PT
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All I'm saying Lois is that there have only been two reasonably serious foreign terrorist attacks in the history of the country. One was under Bush. Crediting him with preventing more is like giving him credit for not creating another great depression.
Oh wait, the jury is still out on that.
Peace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 13, 2009 - 04:09pm PT
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Lois, the other foreign terrorist attack was in 1993 (I think) and was also on the World Trade center. Bush was warned Bin Laden was attempting to attack the united states. Just going by recent history, it's not surprising no attack has happened here.
And by luring us to depose the secular dictator of Iraq (who oppressed the islamic militants) Al Queda has brought the American targets within easier range so attacking America was unneeded. Plus, there are other countries to attack.
Think of it this way. The administration has trumpeted their sucess in shutting down a few operations purported to intend to attack America during their term. On close examination, they haven't been very mature or credible threats. If Bush really prevented any major attack, we'd hear about it for sure.
PEace
karl
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