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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 12, 2008 - 01:14am PT
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December can be a tough month....for many people and a variety of reasons. It's a time of celebration but when life sends you more than you can deal with it can be a period of depression and worse.
One of my best friends just called and said their 29 year old son is in the ICU Unit at the hospital on a ventilator due to an accidental drug/alcohol overdose. He's not expected to survive. His life is in incredible disarray and he simply could not cope with it.
As many of you know here on the Taco my husband, Dan, died unexpectedly 12/29/07. So this Holiday Season is the first one to live and experience without this wonderful guy I loved and lived with for many years. I understand life's serious challenges and know grief and depression.
Life is wonderful, but it can be very tough at times and we need to be there for each other. This ST Forum has been there for me this year big time !
BOTTOM LINE: Lynne's list is a Thread that will be available til @ 1/11/09. If you are struggling or have issues please let us know. We will pray for you every day. If you don't think prayer is real that's ok cause many of yo believe in positive thoughts etc and they will be there for you everyday. You don't even have to be that specific if you don't want to. You can also email me.
Just want all to know that there are people that care and will listen to you....no matter what, big or small.
Peace and Joy Always, Lynne
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MisterE
Trad climber
My Inner Nut
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Dec 12, 2008 - 01:31am PT
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Lynne, I send my heartfelt support to you. Know you have so many friends to help you through the hard times. We always will provide love, distraction, joy, and everything else.
Best wishes, Erik
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Dec 12, 2008 - 01:40am PT
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Baby doll,
Sure, death is final and we face I am sure complete annihilation. Just like every other living creature and certainly everything else in the natural world: it all passes, it wears down, it changes. We are not an exception and should not want to be.
But we don’t die simply. Yeah, we die but we live on in perhaps thousands of minds, perhaps again and again for many decades and quite often beyond. We become a part of human history and inform the tasks of all the living, which if you really think about it, is actually a better place to be than here.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2008 - 01:54am PT
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Well, yo are all being like the incredible Taco, way beyond Grate! I am doing good...never know when the weird thoughts may come, but we can deal with it with so many great people to give a shout out to. : D
Yo be concerned about the people out there that have not let people know about their hurt and pain or have a tough time verbalizing it.... That are home alone and hurt big time. Looking at the Christmas lights and dying on the inside. Fake smiles then tears for hours.
Please give us a shout cause we care and want to be there as the tribe for you. OK Dudettes and Dudes. You are NOT Alone.
Peace, Lynne and the Taco
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Sherri
climber
WA
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Dec 12, 2008 - 01:56am PT
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Bless you Lynn. My little sister lost her husband to a heart attack on January 5th, just shy of their 2yr anniversary. This will be her first Christmas, etc, without him. Thanks for the reminder to keep a compassionate perpective on the holiday season...
Hugs,
Sherri
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JOEY.F
Social climber
sebastopol
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Dec 12, 2008 - 01:56am PT
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Lynne,
I shall now go to bed and quit my internal
bitching about a bunch of crapola that is nothing
compared to what you have been through.
You've gotta a sweet soul, that's for sure!
Joe.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Dec 12, 2008 - 01:57am PT
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Lynnie
You da best!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2008 - 02:01am PT
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Sherri, Yo little sis be first on my list. Cheers, Lynne
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 12, 2008 - 02:10am PT
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I've found the best way to get my sorry ass through the emotional clusterfudge of the Holidays,is to just give, and I'm not talking materially. Give time, give an ear, give a damn. It's easy in my job, so I try to just do it well.
I think this is going to be a weird Xmas for all of us, everywhere. Don't ask me how or why, I just have a strange feeling, beyond the obvious.
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Sherri
climber
WA
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Dec 12, 2008 - 02:10am PT
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Thanks, Lynn. Your gift of kindness is a generous one--and one I know my sister can use. Here's to wishing you receive many of the same in return. :)
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2008 - 02:18am PT
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10-4 wayno, agree. processing all above. love it when yo make me think.
which brings me full circle. the reason I came on the taco cause I saw life leave. The plug was pulled and 10 ? minutes later life left a body and the body was gone. No, the body was still there. the life and the spirit was gone. Intrinsic part of the human had disappeared.....the soul ? still thinking.
Me
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MisterE
Trad climber
My Inner Nut
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Dec 12, 2008 - 02:20am PT
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Energy can be neither created nor destroyed
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2008 - 02:26am PT
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Peter Haan, indeed "we don't die simply".
To All Above: Thanks for your caring from my heart to yours. Yo all, tomorrow give big smiles to all who cross your path. You will be twice rewarded.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Dec 12, 2008 - 03:45am PT
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all the bad things happen in december, I guess its because the rest of the year always go well. a few years ago we lost 3 or 4 climbers near december and a close friend of my families was gunned down during a routine traffic stop by a kid. All things considered, its the time of year when family come by and visit and you're surrounded by people that love you... so maybe its a grace of god kind of thing?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2008 - 04:04am PT
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GDavis, sorry I've missed ya recently , Dude. Yo can we email and keep up on the local Sun Diego Climb scene? Have a special and Blessed Christmas Season and tell your Mom big howdies. Smiles, Lynne
Second on the List......GDavis's people that he has talked about ....
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Dec 12, 2008 - 10:22am PT
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So far this December....
My best friend lost his granddaughter in a home fire, of course his son and wife lost their home and their daughter, their son was burned badly. He called me last night and told me his mother passed yesterday. A little more salt in an already opened wound. I feel his pain, he's my best friend.
My wife's sister succumbed to brain cancer last week.
On top of these, I lost my oldest brother in September.
I miss them all, its part of life. It still saddening though.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2008 - 10:37am PT
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johnboy, I and my friends will be thinking of you and all touched by these tragedies. We will pray for all many times each day. If there is anything we can do in the practical sense to help out, please email me. Sincerely, Lynne
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Dec 13, 2008 - 05:31pm PT
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Bump.
Life throws us a curve sometimes. I'm glad to have this forum to re-meet people I met in my past and meet people I never met before. I was never a great climber, but just enjoyed the sights, sounds and scent of being in the mountains.
One of the things I will always hold in my heart is finding flowers in a crack in the middle of nowhere.
Like Lynne I have recently lost a lot of what I hold dear.
Ya'll are part of something that cannot be easily defined. Who cannot forget the first time they came thru the tunnel and saw the faces of the ditch?
Oh yeah, What about that full moon?
Edit: Lynne, your presence on this forum has been a breath of fresh air.
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
http://tinyurl.com/4oa5br
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Dec 13, 2008 - 06:23pm PT
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There is now a 911 like number called
211
so no need to dial 40 digits when your ready to jump
food, shelter, whatever, just dial
211
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/211.html
On my speed dial, right below the Cannibis Club.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Dec 13, 2008 - 07:21pm PT
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hey there lynne... say, after my life fell apart, due to the ex, and me having to leave texas, my kids and my home (one which my dad had helped to even have) (kids were grown, but barely in their twenties)----it has taken near 9 years to get to feel alive again, so i surely understand how wonderful this post of yours is, to say to folks:
"come on in by the fire, and warm yourselves"---someone cares to chat a mite about your pain and loss...
and, i too, have understood the sorrows of others, as they, like you, had faced the death of their loved ones---a wound far worse, as it is final, than the wounds of divorce, seperations, and such...
so these words and action, now done by you, concerning what i just said:
"come on in by the fire, and warm yourselves"---someone cares to chat a mite about your pain and loss... are mighty POWERFUL medicine, when dares to take a "gulp of it" , or even a "tiny dose"...
say--mine was emotional stuff, and not physical, as you losing your husband to death---but the emotional wounds that my kids had to bear, and still do, still can howl at the ol' windows of ones mind, at times... so can losing your only home,one that you will never get again... and losing the comfort of knowing you have a "brood of beloved kids and grandkids" to nuture and be part of, in life...
but--thanks to the good lord, there are some new step grandkids here, and they need a good foundation too, and two of my real ones are here, (though the four in texas are still missed)---these ones here are a gift to fill in the vast, dark hole of "roots pulled out wrongly".... the transplaning and ground-tilling, to get this new plant of my life to "kick in" has finally started to show some signs of real life:
the holidays were always spent half alone, but at least not fully alone---watching folks and families shop, though, can still feel very foreign and odd, as i walk through the midst of all of it:
yet, just seeing occasional smiles and chatting with folks you run into, in the stores, can be a small adventure to make one feel that they belong in the "new life project" of where they are---like me, being here...
thus---even as your post here---i make very very sure that each day i have, i give back some of the stamina, vision, and tenacity to hold on, and love, and well-wishes (and a prayer) to SOMEONE else, as they may need it a LOT more than me, being that my "ship is somehow still floating" and though it may not have a course, or a crew, it does have some "well wishers" on a few tug-boat nearby(these step grandkids, mainly)---and who knows, perhaps there is destination, still, for me to reach:
one never knows, so one presses on...
:) ---thanks lynne... its been many a cold lonely winter in this little place of mine... this year my dad can help with the heat, and i got freezer bags of pumpkin soup!---and a new pup-dog (some may say an investment to "ruin" my little income that i have--but for me, it is a big "inner" income, worth much more)...
why, SAY---with all this "new" stuff this year---it is a time of good cheer, in a different sort of way... being that jesus keeps the soul anchored and stable, while our lives seek to more onward and upward, to whatever our goals need to be...
*say happy christmas, and happy new year, early, sent to the inner-being of your kind soul---and to all, you all, too...
:)
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