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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 21, 2008 - 12:56am PT
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What's the deal with people over the age of say, 12, writing as if they're texting madly
like the world is about to come to an end? Now to be fair, I consider myself to be semi-
literate at best. But at least I fuçking TRY to be coherent. Am I just an old fuddy-duddy
who is "out of touch" by clinging to the idea of what is considered "proper" writing style?
Or is society as a whole going to hell in a hand basket?
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Aug 21, 2008 - 12:59am PT
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The hand basket thing.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2008 - 01:03am PT
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i mean like, OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
(God bless alcohol; it helps to ease the pain)
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Aug 21, 2008 - 01:06am PT
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It's that damn "evolution" thing again isn't it?
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jstan
climber
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Aug 21, 2008 - 01:06am PT
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Yes
Yes
Most definitely.
I know of parents who admire their children's superb multitasking ability in keeping two different game boys going while watching TV and doing their homework. And they are quite perplexed when children that smart flunk out.
Multitasking does not support good grammar, or anything else.
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Loomis
climber
Lat/Lon: 35.64 -117.66
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Aug 21, 2008 - 01:32am PT
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Definitely heading "south of heaven"
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Aug 21, 2008 - 03:20am PT
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The phenomenon is noticeable. Enjoy it.
The exact process can only be understood with a lot of accurate description using full sentences that relate to each other in each detail. Therefore the chaps who can no longer produce such sentences are clueless of the process they are within.
But most intriguing is, and will be, the results.
Consider that the first victims of the process were the government chaps before the phenomenon was noticeable. Because their minds cannot understand the reasoning process, they reduced everything to laws. You can do this, and you cannot do that, or you go to jail, for your own good, and do not ask questions.
All human reasoning was reduced to, legal or illegal, the foundation for the lost knowledge of grammar and punctuation.
legal or jail, man
Thus with no incentive to learn reasoning required for rational decisions, the next generation easily fell prey to meaningless or nebulous sound byte phrases similar to "legal or illegal" type conclusions void of reasoning.
So the question comes forward: Will this current phenomenon fail back to accurate communication, or fail forward to an imperative correction that synthesizes the best of all prior?
But this is certain, as a peripheral result.... Ignorant of what human rights are, and how they are effected in society, the younger US chaps who cannot write reasoning (the basis of human rights) because reasoning is not effected by isolated sound bytes of multiple meaning new age terms, have surrendered their rights to verifiable idiots in government (National Park Rangers and their ilk), and will endure an increasingly malicious Police State until the United States collapses on schedule, like all the other power-based empires in human history.
Take plenty of popcorn to the human show. You do not want to miss a scene just because you got the munchies.
Doug
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Flashlight
climber
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Aug 21, 2008 - 03:57am PT
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If I see one more person spell "lose/loser" with two o's("loose/looser") I am going to lose my mind.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 21, 2008 - 08:15am PT
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I've beaten you to it Flashlight, I have already loost my mind over that one.
The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5-year phase-in plan that would become known as 'Euro-English'.
In the first year, 's' will replace the soft 'c'. Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard 'c' will be dropped in favour of 'k'. This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome 'ph' will be replaced with 'f'. This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.
In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent 'e' in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.
By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing 'th' with 'z' and 'w' with 'v'.
During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary 'o' kan be dropd from vords kontaining 'ou' and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.
Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas.
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Gordon
Trad climber
South Florida
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Aug 21, 2008 - 08:46am PT
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Some of you need to start hyphenating your compound adjectives... Ya? (Unles, of kors, zey folow ze nown zey ar deskribing.)
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 21, 2008 - 09:12am PT
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RE:
"Take plenty of popcorn to the human show. You do not want to miss a scene just because you got the munchies. "
hahahaha!
Doug, I gotta admit, I'm starting to enjoy your writing more...
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Aug 21, 2008 - 09:39am PT
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Patrick, lol is so overused as to be meaningless, but by god lol is what I did when I read your post. I must lrn to rit lik zat. Dont vant to be lft bhind.
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Delhi Dog
Trad climber
Good Question...
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Aug 21, 2008 - 09:46am PT
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"Doug, I gotta admit, I'm starting to enjoy your writing more... "
See what I mean, the dude's beginning to make sense...:>)
Patrick,that's gotta be one of the funniest and cleverest post I've seen yet!
Yours in laughter,
DD
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Aug 21, 2008 - 09:51am PT
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That's some funny sh#t, Patrick.
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MisterE
Social climber
My Inner Nut
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Aug 21, 2008 - 09:59am PT
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Solution: more reading, less TV and gaming.
Literacy is the weapon of choice in a reactive, over-stimulated culture. Yoga for the mind.
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nutjob
Stoked OW climber
San Jose, CA
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Aug 21, 2008 - 10:11am PT
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I've learned to be tolerant of others who either don't value proper grammar and punctuation as I do or just don't have the knowledge; but I do focus on my own output and take pride in it.
wif ziz I konklud ze koments
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jstan
climber
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Aug 21, 2008 - 11:07am PT
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Wretches, I believe. But no matter. We are taking down the names as all the grammar freaks out themselfs.
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Brian
climber
Cali
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Aug 21, 2008 - 11:11am PT
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You will find that there is often a strong correlation between sloppy writing and sloppy thinking. If your writing cannot clearly express what you think, it may well be the case that what you think is not that clear.
A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks. It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts. --George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language"
Brian
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 21, 2008 - 11:18am PT
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RE:
" My grammar and punctuation has improved dramatically over the years as a result of writing on ST"
By practicing my writing for two years or so,
maybe 100,000 words or more, I was able to go
from being fairly remedial to setting the
record with a perfect score on the communication
test (including an essay) at our local community college.
They had never seen a perfect score.
Writing is hard, no doubt.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 21, 2008 - 11:43am PT
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Riley,
You may be retching, but you are not ignorant. You may retain more of your study if you read books on a chair rather than a grammar quiver. (them things is pointy-like).
AF- Students are required to perfect the blank look™ in order to graduate high school, at least in California. This is so that once in college they may concentrate fully on their looks of righteous indignation (pat. pending) when asked to read, write or show up to class.
A UC Berkeley Prof drinking 2 or three beers after class? They'll never get tenure at that rate.
"I'm a looser baby. So why don'tcha kill me"
-whatsiname
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