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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Did you even read past the first sentence of the linked article? He's offering a compromise to avoid partisan gridlock.
From the article -- The plan also includes energy initiatives Obama has endorsed. "It would repeal tax breaks for oil companies so that we can invest billions in fuel-efficient cars, help our automakers re-tool, and make a genuine commitment to renewable sources of energy like wind power, solar power, and the next generation of clean, affordable biofuels," Obama noted.
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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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There will be no election.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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You seem to be a highly intellegent man your Fattiness, isn't it time you support OBama?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Wow, somebody who knows what it means to state an opinion, then listen to experts on the matter, then formulate a new opinion based on new information.
Yeah, that's what we don't need.
STAY THE COURSE!!!! (even if it kills us.)
That, my friend, is what I am so tired of.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Yes no principles. This is clearly based on evidence and not wishful thinking. I can tell by the substantive and detailed critique of the massive flip-flops Obama has committed.
And what has the principled non-flip-flopping McCain done?
Lessee.....
-Had a sane policy on immigration but he ditched that.
-Opposed torture but that went out the window.
-Opposed the Bush tax cuts but now he thinks they are the best thing for the economy (which he claims to know little about).
-Said that he opposed negative campaigning but he manages to be just as negative as you would expect any politician to be.
So yes I think I will take your insanely partisan opinion on this and vote for the principled McCain. It is the right thing for America.
P.s.- I'm sorry that your candidate is sucking so badly that all your camp has going for it is to trash Obama. Maybe if McCain had some integrity left on his issues he could speak more authentically but alas, he sold it all for GOP party support. It's too bad really I like the real McCain quite a bit.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Coz: You should have a look at Naomi Klein's book, The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism. Undoubtedly written by a lefty, and a Canadian at that. But still interesting.
http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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It is so obvious that McCain has no morals, and becoming more obvious by the day that Obama is no different.
Radical, you seem to put a lot of stock in McCain not excelling in academia. Big deal. I have known number of people over the years who were not great academically but were still brilliant and talented people. Not that McCain is one of those.
John may be correct, in a sense, that there will not be an election. So to speak.
The election has already happened.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Pain, pain, I feel your pain. I notice how, once the shock has worn off, the scramble begins to explain away another (How do we say) course change on The Blessed One's part.
I'm loving this campaign mainly because of all the self-righteous, smug, puerile and idealistic claptrap that been slathered on ST over the months in support of Obama. He's just another pol from the Chicago machine.
Oh, to save you time, as I've said before, I don't like McCain either so save the tangent.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Woody- Is that because you mainly read your own posts?
Skipt- On what issues exactly? You guys like to claim these massive changes on Obama's part. The biggest one I can think of is his campaign finance. Everything else has been pretty minor, especially when you compare it to the massive changes in McCain's policies that I listed above. I realize that you don't mind those shifts since he probably changed his view from one you didn't like to one you did, but it's a pretty hypocritical argument to be making nonetheless don't you think?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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"I'm loving this campaign mainly because of all the self-righteous, smug, puerile and idealistic claptrap that been slathered on ST over the months in support of Obama. He's just another pol from the Chicago machine. "
Just reposting the insightful bits that get at the crux of the issue so that we can easily differentiate them from other posts that are self-righteous and smug. Thanks LEB.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Testy, testy people. I understand the embarrassment many feel about the new Obama. I mean, it must be very difficult-- nay impossible--to explain satisfactorily all the shifts that have brought him to this point unless, of course, you admit he's just another manipulative, self serving pol with a shady past.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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I am. I'm so embarrassed. I just don't know where to hide my shame.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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I love that McCain is hammering Obama about lack of foreign policy experience, but McCain still refers to the Czech Republic and Slovakia as Czechoslovakia which it hasn't been for fifteen(that's 15) years!
Heh, heh, heh!
Bruce
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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I love all the fear mongering the repugnicants are throwing at us. They must be really really scared.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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I love that McCain is hammering Obama about lack of foreign policy experience, but McCain still refers to the Czech Republic and Slovakia as Czechoslovakia which it hasn't been for fifteen(that's 15) years!
Heh, heh, heh!
Bruce, maybe McCain knows something that we don't.
Nah, I didn't think so either.
EDIT
As far as I am concerned, the election has happened and Obama has won the POTUS post. Sorry Fatty, but McCain is out of his league (but if there is still going to be an election in November, I am still going to write in Cynthia McKinney).
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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I love the fact that McCain can't read this post without help "getting on the internet" from his wife or minions.....
McCain Says He's Learning How To Use the Internet
Face it Jeff, John is completely out of touch with the world we live in. He has been under the dome tooooo long. Obama has not been tainted by 25 years in isolation.
Obama is not the end-all-be-all but he is definitely the lesser of two evils. And the world does not need more evil. Got an over-dose from "W" and his crew.
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jstan
climber
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If you all don't mind I will state the obvious. If we all take the attitude the election is over and stay home, there is no telling what will happen.
Now that the US has been largely bankrupted and the next President already faces an extimated annual deficit of very nearly 0.5 trillion dollars, how are we to work our way out of the hole we have dug? There will have to be huge changes in our educational system, indeed even in how we approach education. We have to compete in the world. Then how do we change and repair infrastructure with an eye towards what the future is going to require?
Massive change is coming. It is inevitable. My population projections in the 70's when I was looking at what will happen in the Gunks indicated we might flatten out between 200 million and maybe 240 million people. The recreational load on the Gunks looked manageable if we built trails, protected the rock at all costs, and took great care to understand which parts of the climbing experience we absolutely had to preserve. Not all of that happened but a surprising amount did. Unfortunately the population did not level off.
The overall scene did not fare so well. If we had not wasted so many of our resources, had conserved them, and had worked hard on education it would have been a different world.
But we have chosen as we have chosen.
Now what do we do?
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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What the Democrats could do to really help themselves is to simply ignore McCain.
Right now Obama seems to be responding to what McCain is saying or doing. McCain runs ads, Obama bitches about them. McCain says something, Obama bitches about what McCain said. McCain badgers Obama about going to Iraq / Afghanistan, Obama goes to Afghanistan / Iraq.
Obama needs to completely ignore McCain and do more to promote himself and his ideas.
But right now Obama's acting as if he's McCain's dancing monkey.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Tell them to forget about putting up any "suicide net" on the Golden Gate Bridge.
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