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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:23pm PT
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two words......kick ass!!!!
edit: this one I remember...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OkoWEMCnLQ&feature=related
It shows out tactical precision and 'respect' for people who are running out of a mosque with weopons. The mosque was untouched by the Spectre Gunship.
You can run, but you'll just die tired. United Stated Air Force motto.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:25pm PT
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Yes, I feel safer now.
New terrorists born every minute since we're killing their relatives and making their county uninhabitable.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:33pm PT
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Steve, not when a Predator or GlobalHawk is watching.
Don't worry the USAF loves you, man, you're safe.
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andanother
climber
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:35pm PT
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YEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!!!!!!!!!
We done showed them tayrists whoos boss!!!!
Ya'lls comin over ta watch us up some NASCAR this weekend?
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kev
climber
CA
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:40pm PT
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Nice shots Minerals...
Sorry I missed blast fest btw.
SteveW - 'making their country uninhabitable' ????? ITS A DESERT DUDE
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
San Fernando Lamas
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:42pm PT
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Inefficient and overly expensive population control
That really says it all.
I love to play with cool toys and make things go boom as much as any rightwing nutcase, but you have to choose the right tool for the job and sometimes, as in the case of Iraq, you shouldn't even take the job.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:44pm PT
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Sure, blue.
That's why they're flying armed nukes over OUR country.
And that's why your new child is going to live a life of
less because of the obscene military spending (only enriching
the defense contractors, may I add), more than the rest of the
world combined? Who's our enemy? We have met him and he is us. . . you're probably too young to remember Pogo.
Nope, we can't supply armor for our troops, but we sure can create a lot of collateral damage (oops, I meant kill innocent
civilians) with this unjustified, and obscene war.
Yes, I feel bunches safer.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:50pm PT
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Those are normally all effective tools when not wielded by treasonous and incompetent cowards who had all evaded the draft so no nothing about military operations. Further, they have undercut returning Veterans at every single opportunity, squandered our military might, corrupted the Constitution and balance of power, and handed Tehran and Beijing significant geopolitical advantage at the cost of about two trillion dollars. In 2000, OBL and the Chinese leadership couldn't have written a dream script for the next eight years this good.
And, all you rank and file conservatives have been played hard by corporate interests on every front entirely enabled by the administration while they distracted you with this oh so necessary war. Not to mention that the "homeland" is no more prepared for a terrorist attact then it was in August of 2001.
But no doubt, you can shoot your way out of any situation - especially if you turn off all rational thinking processes from the trigger guard on back...
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:51pm PT
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hang on a sec.
*Sits back in chair and grabs popcorn*
OK, go.
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Ouch!
climber
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:55pm PT
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Brian
climber
Cali
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:55pm PT
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Putting aside the question of whether or not our current military actions are just, or justified, or effective, I wonder if anyone else is ill at ease with this sort of fetishism?
Some wars are necessary and when one has to fight, or indeed kill, because it is unavoidable and necessary to prevent a greater evil, then that conflict and the sacrifices it requires are in a sense noble.
Nevertheless, to take such obvious pleasure in war is more than a little sick, morally and spiritually.
Many people I admire have played a role in armed conflict, several of them as part of the elite units that would no doubt give such war-fetishists a tingly feeling in their nether regions. However, none of them took pleasure in war, death, and destruction.
Some wars are necessary. It is necessary to resist evil. Fighting, and fighting hard, is sometimes the morally right thing to do. Killing other people is sometimes necessary, but it should never be "fun."
To take pleasure in the destruction, "collateral damage," savagery, and dehumanizing tendencies (for both the "victors" and the "victims") smacks of ill-informed and ill-formed adolescents with a caricatured understanding of courage, honor, and other virtues.
Brian
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:56pm PT
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Kev
Oh, I forgot, all the war destroyed the ancient gardens of
Babylon, whose food fed much of the world in the past.
Yes, the earliest breadbasket of the world, the area
between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. It's totally a
desert. Yes, Phoenix, Arizona is in a desert. Don't you think
they had habitations in many of those places.
Oops, I forgot, ready, fire, aim . . .
Thanks, OUCH, for lightening it up!!! :-)
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Jun 11, 2008 - 03:05pm PT
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Yeah, I'm grateful we can spend $100,000 a shot to blow up a guy on a camel 100 miles away. Hey we can even see the nose hairs. What a great use of my money.
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Jun 11, 2008 - 03:09pm PT
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Yeah Brian, that was written thousands of years ago in the Tao Te Ching:
Weapons are the tools of violence;
all decent men detest them.
Weapons are the tools of fear;
a decent man will avoid them
except in the direst necessity
and, if compelled, will use them
only with the utmost restraint.
Peace is his highest value.
If the peace has been shattered,
how can he be content?
His enemies are not demons,
but human beings like himself.
He doesn't wish them personal harm.
Nor does he rejoice in victory.
How could he rejoice in victory
and delight in the slaughter of men?
He enters a battle gravely,
with sorrow and with great compassion,
as if he were attending a funeral.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Jun 11, 2008 - 03:10pm PT
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500 Billion spent last time I looked.
That is money that won't go to schools, roads, hospitals, food supplies, programs for urban development, jobs, medical advances...
Oh - don't forget the states are all bankrupt too...
Don't get me wrong bro - I'm a gun nut too.
But this is a crime of a magnitude we can barely comprehend...
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jun 11, 2008 - 03:15pm PT
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Hey Minerals and Bluering and the rest of you war cheerleaders:
Did you, or do you currently, serve in the military? (I did).
If no, why not?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 11, 2008 - 03:22pm PT
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ElCap, stupid arguement, I was too stupid and anti-gov't when I was younger (liberal). Now...I've actually considered it since they raised the enlistment age to 41 or 42. Considered border patrol too....Me and Minerals on BP duty, could you imagine?
Seriously, that's a stupid arguement. What, I have to serve to able to support killing murderers? Silly...
besides, there's lots of young marines that have my full support, do they have yours?
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Jun 11, 2008 - 03:24pm PT
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"Putting aside the question of whether or not our current military actions are just, or justified, or effective, I wonder if anyone else is ill at ease with this sort of fetishism?"
Nope.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jun 11, 2008 - 03:26pm PT
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I'm sure Elcap is just like me--ardent patriots, we take democracy seriously, we're active in government, writing our non-listening congressional delegations. But we also support our
troops fully. We say bring 'em home NOW, out of danger in
an illegal and immoral war that they have no business fighting.
It certainly wasn't to defend our country.
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kev
climber
CA
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Jun 11, 2008 - 03:26pm PT
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SteveW,
I'm not arguing a historical issue about grain being grown or if there are fertile lands (which there between the Euphrates and Tigris). You claimed the we have made it uninhabital. I disagree. How specifically have we made it uninhabitable? Have we polluted it? Have we raped the natural resources of the area? Have we burned or destroyed large amounts of its natural resources? If you're going to argue that blowing up buildings will render a country uninhabitable I would like to remind you of the many countries that were involved in WWII and all the other wars through out the years. England, Russia, and Germany are well populated aren't they? Also I am not making a statement about the war being good/bad, right/wrong, all I am doing is calling you on what I think is BS which is the uninhabitable statement.
kev
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