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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 19, 2008 - 06:34pm PT
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On a Lois thread, she mentioned how this is just the internet and not real. We have heard that argument over the years, when people get upset over particularly obtuse, naive, obnoxious postings.
People will attack another, and then the person says "Stop!" they taint them with being upset over an imaginary world....
I can see how, when the internet forums were young, and the chances of actually ever meeting someone from them was a huge improbability, that that tact might be taken. But nowdays - people DO meet others on many of the forums.
Climbing forums, specifically, have a very high rate of "in real life" connections.
So - what is it to you? Real or imaginary.
For me, this forum is very real. I know or have met probably at least 50 people from this forum. The connection is there, the same as it was back in earlier days through a letter to your associate who live across the country.
I think it is a sign of dysfunction in a person to contend that the relationships online are not real. i will give in to saying those types of forums specifically designed to be fantasy-based, where people create avatars where they are dragons or robots and such are a different animal.
But not places like Supertopo!
By the way, Lois(as I know she will likely read this) - I have heard many people offer to visit you and you have offered to be available for some people as well. To date - how many Supertopians have you met in real life? (Let's not include telephone for now; just face to face encounters).
How about everyone else? I may take a count later, but for now I will stick with my "at least 50" people whom I have actually met.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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May 19, 2008 - 06:44pm PT
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I thought she meant that the interactions here have different rules than physical interaction. Emotional impact in the virtual vs face to face events, maybe I am wrong.
I've had bunches of virtual analog encounters with supertopians and other sorts of online acquaintences, it's generally very cool, and something to be cherished. It has certainly increased the number of fascinating people I feel safe going to the crags with, to put each others life in each others care through a rope.
How cool is that?
Never counted but ~50 doesn't sound unreasonable.
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Paulina
Trad climber
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May 19, 2008 - 06:46pm PT
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The most awesome aspect of this forum is the ability to meet people face to face and go climbing together.
And the willingness of people to do that.
I have a pretty high number-of-people-met to number-of-posts ratio. :-) Hope to keep it that way (by meeting more people).
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Phil_B
Social climber
Hercules, CA
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May 19, 2008 - 06:46pm PT
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Real!
It morphed for me when I went to the first Pity Party. Wished I could've stayed longer, but it got me hooked.
Then I went to the JT SushiFest and got to meet a bunch of folks, including Ms. Happiegrrl herself.
Heck, I even met my girlfriend through this very site, so how's that for real?
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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May 19, 2008 - 06:47pm PT
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I've only been on the taco for a few months, so haven't made any face to face connections. I have corresponded with a few folks via e-mail.
I have met several folks in person on other forums and have made some friendships through those meetings.
To say, it's the net and whatever mean spirited diatribes some post don't count is bs. Either your civilized or you are not, it doesn't matter what medium you are communicating through.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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May 19, 2008 - 06:50pm PT
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The BS is often clearer in this media. Though you still have to have wits...
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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May 19, 2008 - 08:09pm PT
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It certainly is real in the fact that everytime you go climbing, you have the possibility to meet a STer. Of course, I'll never admit my identity to anyone. I have no credibility here.:)
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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May 19, 2008 - 09:51pm PT
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That's great, continue your unrelenting attack on Lois.
But consider the following, since YOU opened the door:
Which is more dysfunctional, an alcoholic tax evader, or a nurse practitioner who thinks online relationships are not real?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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May 19, 2008 - 09:53pm PT
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LED wouldn't know reality if it ran over her--especially in a climber's world.
edit: The place that she created here for herself is a hobby and entertainment. The majority of us "realize" that we share common ground (literally), and often anticipate meeting others who share our passion.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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May 19, 2008 - 10:00pm PT
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This is getting real...
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 19, 2008 - 10:14pm PT
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Between SushiFest at Snow Canyon (April 2007) and the Yosemite FaceLift (September 2007), I may have met more than 100 SuperTopians. Many only briefly in the flesh, but often also on ST or through e-mail. I knew or had met a few SuperTopians before I'd heard of ST.
I've never met LEB.
I'm sure I'm just imagining it all, and that, like GWB, SuperTopo is a product of an overheated imagination, or possibly solipsism.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - May 19, 2008 - 10:20pm PT
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dirtineye - It's not an unrelenting attack on Lois. A comment she made intrigued me and reminded me of something a climber I had dinner with a few weeks ago said, which was that he felt the biggest change to climbing from BITD was that the internet allowed for people to find partners so much more easily.
Your tirade last week was extremely bizarre and though others have said it may be your medicines, the fact is that I know it is your standard behavior and has nothing to do with medicines. I do not know if you actually believe the stuff you wrote last week or if you simply have no compunction whatsoever about lying. If it's the former, I feel sorry for you - Seek help. If it's the latter, you are much more cruel than I ever could have guessed. In either case, I know I made the right choice in cutting my ties with you in January, 2006.
I want nothing to do with you and your bullsh#t. You have said I have been harrassing your online for the last two years.... despite the fact that there is not a single post I have made to you or on anything you wrote from the entire time between appx. January of 2006(and your thread about women accusing guys of stalking them when they were just....interested...in them) until a few months ago, when I made the error of responding to your insult to me on a thread about fall factor. And then - nothing again, until just the other day when I made the stupid error of actually commenting about the picture ST admin deleted and you went off the deep end.
You might want to ask your doctor about Borderline Personality Disorder. Though I am not knowledgeable of the thing, your behavior does seem to fit the profile. And I refer to your behavior in general, and not just that which you direct towards me.
Now - I am going to ask you, again, very clearly, to leave me alone. You have ranted - over and over, over the years - that if a woman ever actually TOLD you to leave her alone, then of course you would want nothing to do with her.
Here is your official notice, since you have seemed unable to take a hint even when very strongly stated. Please - LEAVE ME ALONE. I consider any more of your attacks to be harassment, and any future ones will be noted.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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May 19, 2008 - 10:27pm PT
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LOL, you post crap and lies about me on an open forum and then consider it harassment when I retort?
Try again.
I hope the feds read this and tote you off to tax court, you lying, manipulative, controlling nutjob.
Oh, just what did I say that was not the truth? You care to dispute what I wrote?
And for the record, yes, you attack Lois all the time. Your posts demonstrating this are right there for anyone to read.
You can rest assured that when you spread your crap, I will refute it. You have a lot of nerve to think you can tell the lies you've told with impunity.
Why don't you get help?
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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May 19, 2008 - 10:31pm PT
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dirt, the thread topic is about "Real", not moral.
I think the standard "off topic" or OT means not about climbing.
:-)
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - May 19, 2008 - 10:32pm PT
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"ou have said I have been harrassing your online for the last two years.... despite the fact that there is not a single post I have made to you or on anything you wrote from the entire time between appx. January of 2006(and your thread about women accusing guys of stalking them when they were just....interested...in them) until a few months ago, when I made the error of responding to your insult to me on a thread about fall factor. And then - nothing again, until just the other day when I made the stupid error of actually commenting about the picture ST admin deleted and you went off the deep end."
LEAVE. ME. ALONE.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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May 19, 2008 - 10:38pm PT
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Fattie,
won't she get one of the pardons before McCain takes the reins?
Or did I mean reign?
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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May 19, 2008 - 10:54pm PT
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"The majority of us "realize" that we share common ground (literally), and often anticipate meeting others who share our passion."
Very well put, Mojede. even though you bailed on Boogaloo I. HaHa!
Sadly, my partners are pleading reality for problems in traveling 1500 miles in the 'reality' of $4 gas (a host of other conflicts, as well). I think I have one droog, tight enough that we might still be able to make it happen. Though we each have complications, as well. Hope to share ground, and passions, then.
After that, there is V Boogaloo two, a great location for an anniversary and a family destination, as well!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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May 19, 2008 - 10:57pm PT
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Leave you alone?
YOU are the one who posts all the lies.
I rebut them.
You've told so many lies you can't keep em straight.
If you can't handle the result of what you say and do, maybe you should stop doing it.
Leave you alone?
I have no contact whatsoever with you, and want none, but I'm not going to let your crap stand unchallenged, and I do have the right to point out the obvious when you make your inane statements.
Your hypocrisy in ranting about self sufficiency while you fail to pay taxes is just one of the many troubling aspects of your true nature.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Idaho
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May 19, 2008 - 11:55pm PT
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It's kind of like the old lodge lot..."The Center of the Universe', only fewer shakedowns, squirrels, & dirt.
Oh, And more typing(stupid typing)...
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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May 20, 2008 - 01:29am PT
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Jaybro, if another Boogaloo goes down the hole fam damily is a comin', hehe. realmojede is way keen on the colors and the formations there--find her a facey-highball boulder to cleanse her inner-spirit, looking forward to it.
For "real".
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