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Michelle
Trad climber
Fort Sam
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 1, 2008 - 08:22pm PT
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I am busy. Will someone cliff notes that thread for me and the rest of us too lazy to read it all. Thanks for the public service.
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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If you took Russ's summary early in that thread and added it to Jody's, threw in a couple filler sentences for cohesion, you'd be pretty close.
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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I think Russ's post was #600. His (Russ's) post is a bit less biased than Jody's, IMO. Pretty good recap. I stoped reading around post #450.
Cheers,
Prod.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Oh, was that for real? I thought it was some crazy fuked-up sh#t on the internet like the Nigerian con artist and the shrimp boat captain.
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dirtbag
climber
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I also absconded a nudie pic from the "This is a climber's forum" thread and posted it on the rap bolt thread.
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tradcragrat
Trad climber
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Jody,
I think there is another side of the issue that you're not looking at. You make good points to support your side, but there are also arguments to the contrary and proponents of the those arguments aren't necessarily self-righteous. In fact, some of them are the humblest, strongest climbers around. The truth is that rock is a limited resource. We have to talk intelligently about the issues and try to understand the other side so we can settle on a compromise. Label-dropping isn't conducive to that.
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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Rock is a limited resource?
Limited by...the vacuum of space I guess.
You know where it's cool to dictate style and ethics in regard to rock climbing?
Private property.
Works really well, everybody does what you tell them.
Other than that, you're a wanna be fascist.
EDIT: Trad d00d, only the top of this post was in reference to you..the bottom is not. Sorry for any confusion.
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tradcragrat
Trad climber
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Boarder,
Yup, you got me. I'm a fascist.
Whatever dude. If advocating for compromise makes me a fascist, then I guess I am.
I just think the rap-bolters and the run-outers can each have their fun at their own crags.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Michelle
Trad climber
Fort Sam
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2008 - 10:58pm PT
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So, somebody bolted somebody elses line and some people didnt like it. Got it.
That picture sounds like me though!
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atchafalaya
climber
Babylon
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no. they bolted their own route. the argument is they shoulda left it alone so some future unknown hardman could make it 5.13 r/x a0.
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couchmaster
climber
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Shall we call this round 2?
ding ding ding ding
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Michelle
Trad climber
Fort Sam
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2008 - 11:21pm PT
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Roger that. Has there been any violence yet and what's the utube link for it?
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Michelle
Trad climber
Fort Sam
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2008 - 11:25pm PT
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not round 2. This thread is supposed to be about that thread, not a continuation of it. Lets keep the content here purely superficial.
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Tired Trad Tales
Trad climber
southern cal
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Michelle,
The cliff note: That thread is just another tired trad tale. In this case it is people telling other people how to climb.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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heh
recap: the thread has touched the below arguments from various perspectives...
argument from history
argument from ethics
argument from authority (or lack thereof)
argument from adventure preservation
argument from resources limited
argument from style
argument from safety
argument from violence or threats thereof
missed any?
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Spencer Adkisson
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Munge, you missed the argument for perception of reality.
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Jacko
Trad climber
Grass Valley Ca.
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Hey TiredTradTailsBetweenYourLeg's,It's more of a story about how one should not climb the Proud SFHD. Good guy's on both side's of the coin,alot of good thought's and some B.S. name calling..With 2000 + post's the point has been made that if you drop in from the Top of the Wall's in Yosemite, your going to get some grief..Both Sean and Coz should have quit while they were ahead.... Jacko
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DixieGal
Trad climber
NC
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Two guys put up a route on the S Face of Half Dome by rap bolting
the upper thousand feet. Regardless of all the debate, the fact is
that it was rap-bolted. Obviously, a lot of climbers were not too
thrilled about this style.
Each person is entitled to his/her own opinion about rap bolting Half Dome.
Personally, I regard such tactics as very poor style. I sympathize with Coz's sentiments and fully support his attempt to stand up
to vociferous masses on this site (who support and condone this
rap-bolted construction job). It is good to see that a few
climbers like Coz have the backbone to stand up and condemn the
construction job.
Most amazing is the fact that one of the rap bolters is the
formerly venerated icon of clean climbing, Doug Robinson.
It's just a matter of time before people decide to totally rap
bolt 2000 - 3000 foot sport climbs on other parts of Half Dome
and El Cap.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Christian, American, heterosexual, pro-gun conservative gets angry with others being "holier than thou"
Wow, there's a mind blower.
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