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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 28, 2008 - 01:12pm PT
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I thought he already explained his relationship with Wright.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 28, 2008 - 01:43pm PT
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Hey I know! Let's take all the anger and bitterness about 400 years of oppression and marginalize it as racism as a way of not having to confront the problem!
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2008 - 01:54pm PT
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"marginalize it as racism"? this guy is promoting the idea of physiological differences in the brains of white people and black people...he's actually claiming that differences between whites and blacks are not based on culture but on genetics...
replace reverend wright with pope benedict, and you'd be screaming about racism
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Apr 28, 2008 - 02:03pm PT
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bookworm - just so we understand.
Are you suggesting that suggesting that there are genetic differences between races is somehow wrong?
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2008 - 02:48pm PT
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i'm simply suggesting that when white people claim genetic differences between races liberals go crazy with accusations of racism...
note to LEB, i'm NOT european, i'm american...i don't know many euros, but those i do know do not consider themselves europeans but french, german, belgium, italian, etc.
and look what happened to larry summers (former president of harvard) when he claimed differences between men and women "might" explain why there are fewer women in academia
again, if the pope had said this, i think the liberals would be demanding an apology
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:48pm PT
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I--as a white male--do not fear racism against me in the US. Does any other white person here feel oppressed? Why?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:49pm PT
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LEB you keep saying that but have yet to articulate what those views are. That keeps tickling me.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:58pm PT
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So,
are asians right or left brained?
If Blacks are right brained why aren't an unusual number left handed?
Why did black literacy and graduation rates increase from 1870 to 1960, almost reach parity with the white population and then begin to decline?
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2008 - 04:03pm PT
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ok, i'm open to being educated here because, apparently, i'm a european left brain and maybe this is one of those african right brain issues (of course, i'm half asian...so which part of the brain belongs to asians?)
left brain: Logical, Sequential, Rational, Analytical, Objective, Looks at parts
right brain: Random, Intuitive, Holistic, Synthesizing, Subjective, Looks at wholes
1. isn't the race aryan and NOT european? doesn't the term "european" refer to geography? and don't these racial classifications refer to facial bone structure? and didn't we all come from africa to begin with?
2. wasn't mlk's whole point that under the skin we're all the same?
3. if, as the good reverend claims, all people of african descent are "right brained" would i be guilty of discrimination if i wanted to hire a european left brain for a job that requires Logical, Sequential, Rational, Analytical, Objective thinking skills? (that's assuming i have the differences correct; i'm no expert on this two types of HUMAN brain concept...i took the above from a google search) doesn't the good reverend suggest that african right brains are not genetically suited for certain jobs? (and vice versa for european left brains)
4. if, as the good reverend claims, all those of us that are of "european descent"--which means 70%(?) of the country--are left brained and, as some here have claimed, our schools are set up for left brains, then shouldn't we educate african right brains separately? the alternative seems to be to change the most effective means of educating the majority to accommodate the minority, which seems irrational...but maybe i see it that way because i'm a left brain
please, somebody help me because i'm confused and a little scared by what the good reverend said
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2008 - 04:38pm PT
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LEB
1. aryan, right? and didn't we ALL "originate" from the same place, at least, according to darwin and genesis?
2. ?
3. the good reverend didn't say anything about "some" africans; he said, “Africans and African-Americans are right-brained, subject-oriented..."; so, isn't the good reverend claiming that africans and europeans are genetically inferior for specific tasks? and wouldn't it makes sense, according to the good reverend, that i employ only europeans (or africans, depending on the task) to maximize the efficiency of my workforce?
4. if, as the good reverend claims, all those of us that are of "european descent"--which means 70%(?) of the country--are left brained and, as some here have claimed, our schools are set up for left brains, then shouldn't we educate african right brains separately? the alternative seems to be to change the most effective means of educating the majority to accommodate the minority, which seems irrational...but maybe i see it that way because i'm a left brain
5. since asians (is the correct racial term mongoloid?) tend to do as well (and often better) in our school system as "europeans", can't we assume they are also left brained?
6. what would your reaction be if pat robertson made the same claims about the genetic differences between african brains and european brains?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 28, 2008 - 05:03pm PT
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I'm not talking about right vs wrong, LEB..I'm talking being able to articulate them vs not. You keep saying that your views are more in line with candidate A than B, but when it comes to actually articulating any of the 3 you retreat to vagueness as you did above. There's nothing wrong for being for a candidate cause that's the one you like, but you keep saying it's for very specific reasons that when pressed you can't actually specify.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 28, 2008 - 05:37pm PT
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LEB
I'm suspecting that he's is suspecting that you are merely voting your gut and don't have a rational correlation between your beliefs and the candidates positions and records.
Peace
Karl
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Apr 28, 2008 - 05:42pm PT
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Uh, LEB, actually you can legally make gender a basis for job selection.
At least for women. Probably men, too, but they usually do not need to.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Apr 28, 2008 - 05:46pm PT
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Not only gender, but even appearance.
For some jobs you can hire only good looking women.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Apr 28, 2008 - 05:46pm PT
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For that matter, you can be specific as to race.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 28, 2008 - 05:59pm PT
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LEB you have no idea what I believe, just as I suspect you don't know what McCain nor Obama believes but that doesn't seem to be stopping you from jumping to conclusions. I've asked you to be specific about what you believe, instead of simply assuming what you believe. You don't want to clarify, yet you will assume that I think a certain way.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 28, 2008 - 06:01pm PT
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Lois,
If you are directing a play about Eleanor Roosevelt, you will likely only consider hiring middle-aged white women.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Apr 28, 2008 - 06:01pm PT
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Yes, I can.
EDIT: And no to the second question.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Apr 28, 2008 - 06:13pm PT
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bookworm,
What did you wake up this morning and decide this horse wasn't dead enough already, or is Fox News still trumpeting this topic.
Either way, I think the website you found your inspiration from is all too appropriate: hotair.com
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