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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 5, 2004 - 06:53pm PT
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Of the 29 countries in the mighty coalition:
 8 have fewer than 100 troops in Iraq.
23 have fewer than 1,000.
25 have fewer than 2,000.
27 have fewer than 3,000.
28 have fewer than 3,100.
And Great Britain has just over 8,300.
Seven countries -- Thailand, Spain, Honduras, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Philippines, New Zealand -- have withdrawn all their troops.
US forces in and around Iraq (as of April): about 200,000.
Here is the entire list:
Norway - 10
Moldova - 12
Macedonia - 28
Kazakhstan - 29
Singapore - 33
Tonga - 45
Estonia - 55
Albania - 70
Slovakia - 105
Lithuania - 105
Czech Republic - 110
Latvia - 122
Portugal - 128
Azerbaijan - 151
Georgia - 159
Mongolia - 180
Australia - 250 (600 more "in theater")
Hungary - 300
El Salvador - 380
Bulgaria - 485
Denmark - 496
Japan - 550 (200 more "in theater")
Romania - 700
Netherlands - 1,345
Ukraine - 1,576
Poland - 2,500
South Korea - 2,800
Italy - 3,085 (84 more "in theater")
United Kingdom - 8,361 (3,500 more "in theater")
(copied from another site)
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Hardman Knott
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Marin Hot Tub Country
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2004 - 07:22pm PT
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Yawn...
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yo
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NOT Fresno
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Don't f*#k with the Macedonians.
Does this site say anything about the foreign aid received in return for "support?" Countries like El Salvador are our friends just like Musharraf's Pakistan is our friend. Cha-ching!
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Matt
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2004 - 07:35pm PT
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my favorite part of the big pay of plan was when hey were "negotiating" with the various countries that had rotating seats on the security council, trying to get a 2nd resolution passed ("disarm in 37 hours or we are coming in w/ guns blazing!")
at least the secretary of defense was clear about the al queda connection, and the national security advisor was paying attention to the debate w/in the intelligence community about the true nature of he aluminum tubes...
so, climbing topics...
anyone out there taken a pick-axe to any sport routes lately?
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Gunkie
climber
Family guy who doesn't climb enough near Philly
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I didn't think Tonga had good climbing. Am I missing something?
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Ben Wah
Social climber
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Though your views directly oppose his, your incessant and annoying manner of posting is making you the next Jody of this forum
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Bilbo
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Truckee
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Jody's back, posted on different thread, I suggest a snarl-a thon between Matt and Jody. It would keep me entertained here at work for at least a quarter paycheck.
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Matt
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2004 - 07:41pm PT
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fat rad guy-
you are trolling, and poorly, but i stil love you!
bilbo-
nothing has changed, i can still take him!
BW-
i personally have a hard time equating the debate between evolution and creationism with the debate between this president and the next-
however, if i were just like jody, i would post some onesided argument w/ a bunch of idiots or non-experts backing it up, so here i will prove myself, and i will attempt to differentiate between jody and myself by offering an argument that is signed by numerous credible experts on the subject... (careful what you wish for, dood!).
(note: i copied this from openlettertothepresident.org)
Open Letter to President George W. Bush
October 4, 2004
Dear Mr. President:
As professors of economics and business, we are concerned that U.S. economic policy has taken a dangerous turn under your stewardship. Nearly every major economic indicator has deteriorated since you took office in January 2001. Real GDP growth during your term is the lowest of any presidential term in recent memory. Total non-farm employment has contracted and the unemployment rate has increased. Bankruptcies are up sharply, as is our dependence on foreign capital to finance an exploding current account deficit. All three major stock indexes are lower now than at the time of your inauguration. The percentage of Americans in poverty has increased, real median income has declined, and income inequality has grown.
The data make clear that your policy of slashing taxes – primarily for those at the upper reaches of the income distribution – has not worked. The fiscal reversal that has taken place under your leadership is so extreme that it would have been unimaginable just a few years ago. The federal budget surplus of over $200 billion that we enjoyed in the year 2000 has disappeared, and we are now facing a massive annual deficit of over $400 billion. In fact, if transfers from the Social Security trust fund are excluded, the federal deficit is even worse – well in excess of a half a trillion dollars this year alone. Although some members of your administration have suggested that the mountain of new debt accumulated on your watch is mainly the consequence of 9-11 and the war on terror, budget experts know that this is simply false. Your economic policies have played a significant role in driving this fiscal collapse. And the economic proposals you have suggested for a potential second term – from diverting Social Security contributions into private accounts to making the recent tax cuts permanent – only promise to exacerbate the crisis by further narrowing the federal revenue base.
These sorts of deficits crowd out private investment and are politically addictive. They also place a heavy burden on monetary policy – and create additional pressure for higher interest rates – by stoking inflationary expectations. If your economic advisers are telling you that these deficits can be defeated through further reductions in tax rates, then you need new advisers. More robust economic growth could certainly help, but nearly every one of your administration’s economic forecasts – both before and after 9-11 – has proved overly optimistic. Expenditure cuts could be part of the answer, but your record so far has been one of increasing expenditures, not reducing them.
What is called for, we believe, is a dramatic reorientation of fiscal policy, including substantial reversals of your tax policy. Running a budget deficit in response to a short bout of recession is one thing. But running large structural deficits over a long period is something else entirely. We therefore urge you to consider the fiscal realities we now face and the substantial burden they are placing on our economy.
We also urge you to consider the distributional consequences of your policies. Under your administration, the income gap between the most affluent Americans and everyone else has widened. Although the latest data reveal that real household incomes have dropped across the board since you took office, low and middle income households have experienced steeper declines than upper income households. To be sure, the general phenomenon of mounting inequality preceded your administration, but it has continued (and, by some accounts, intensified) over the past three and a half years.
Some degree of inequality is inherent in any free market economy, creating positive incentives for economic and technological advancement. But when inequality becomes extreme, it can be socially corrosive and economically dysfunctional. Problems of this sort are visible throughout much of the developing world. At the moment, the most commonly accepted measure of inequality – the so-called Gini coefficient – is far higher in the United States than in any other developed country and is continuing to move upward. We don’t know where the breakpoint is for the U.S., but we would rather not find out. With all due respect, we believe your tax policy has exacerbated the problem of inequality in the United States, which has worrisome implications for the economy as a whole. We very much hope you will take this threat to our nation into account as you consider new fiscal approaches to address the nation’s most pressing economic problems.
Sensible and farsighted economic management requires true discipline, compassion, and courage – not just slogans. Given the tenuous state of the American economy, we believe that the time for an honest assessment of the problem and for genuine corrective action is now. Ignoring the fiscal crisis that has taken hold during your presidency may seem politically appealing in the short run, but we fear it could ultimately prove disastrous. From a policy standpoint, the clear message is that more of the same won’t work. The warning signs are already visible, and it is incumbent upon all of us to pay attention.
Respectfully submitted,
Francis Aguilar
Professor of Business Administration, Emeritus
Harvard Business School
Ramon J. Aldag
Glen A. Skillrud Family Chair in Business
School of Business, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Teresa M. Amabile
Edsel Bryant Ford Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School
Kenneth R. Andrews
David K. Donald Professor of Business Administration, Emeritus
Harvard Business School
James E. Austin
Eliot I. Snider and Family Professor of Business Administration
Harvard Business School
Joseph L. Badaracco
John Shad Professor of Business Ethics
Harvard Business School
Lotte Bailyn
T. Wilson (1953) Professor of Management
MIT Sloan School of Management
George P. Baker
Herman C. Krannert Professor of Business Administration
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Louis B. Barnes
John D. Black Professor, Emeritus
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James N. Baron
Walter Kenneth Kilpatrick Professor of Organizational Behavior and Human Resources
Graduate School of Business, Stanford University
Jean M. Bartunek
Robert A. and Evelyn J. Ferris Chair, Professor of Organization Studies
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Yehuda Bassock
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Thomas A. Bausch
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Max H. Bazerman
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Cynthia Beath
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Michael Beer
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Ruffin Professor of Business Ethics
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Robert B. Wilson
Adams Distinguished Professor of Management, Emeritus
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Deloitte and Touche Professor of Management
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JoAnne Yates
Sloan Distinguished Professor of Management
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Max and Doris Starr Professor of International Business Administration
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Abraham Zaleznik
Konosuke Matsushita Professor of Leadership, Emeritus
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Professor of Management
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The above tenured or emeritus professors have signed in their individual capacities. The letter represents the signers’ own views, not those of the institutions with which they are affiliated.
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Gene
Social climber
Two hours away
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All things considered, Tonga is a fantastic place to spend some time. The climbing is limited, but the people are among the nicest you will ever meet. Capt. Cook, during his exploration of the South Pacific, named this country the Friendly Islands. He named them well. The capital city of Tonga, Nuku'alofa, translates into English as the Village of Love. The main island of Tongatapu (translated to The Sacred Island of Tonga) is a rather flat atoll. When I was busted in Tonga in 1976 for vagrancy, the authorities found a way for me to stay with a family that could give me food and shelter until I could leave the islands. No seven day limit was imposed.
My Web research shows that Tonga has about 11% of its military in Iraq. God bless them all and keep them safe.
They deserve better.
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Mick
Social climber
Dutchland below the seas
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History and circles. Humans and herds.
... people don't want to go to war... But, after all, it's the
leaders of the country who determine the policy and it's always a
simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy
or a parliament or a communist dictatorship... Voice or no voice,
the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same way
in any country.
Hermann Goering, at his Nuremberg trial
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An off-subject respose to fattrad:
Just because Chicago had Friedman doesn’t means it’s the batsion or authority on capitalism. Furthermore, Nobel Prize winner William Sharpe revolutionized the investment world with his modern portfolio theory.
Poop tube for you!
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Rhodo-Router
Trad climber
Otto, NC
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Fattrad: your resort to ad hominem arguments does not help your cause. Perhaps you meant this:
na-nanny boo-boo
stick your head in doodoo
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yossarian
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Yet another retort to fattrad:
The “leftist” Harvard profs have signed their named along with many other respected authorities of economics and business, but I guess they’re all “commies” because they point out dismal economic metrics. As for your Nobel Prize observation, what does LTCM’s blunder have to do with Sharpe? Do all Nobel Prize winners loose their credibility because a few of them made a mistake? Like all theories, MPM has evolved to account for the ever increasing complexities of the real world, but it remains the foundation for how investment decisions are made at the individual and corporate level.
Finally, you have only criticized the authors of the letter. Should we assume you agree with its contents?
I have no knowledge of Matt’s political associations, nor if he is a bag of excrement.
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Matt
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SF
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2004 - 01:07pm PT
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RR wrote-
"na-nanny boo-boo
stick your head in doodoo"
careful pal- wars have been started to get rid of people who posed less of a threat to the US than you and your rhymes!
...it's cause he's got tons and tons WMDs! there is no question, and we know exactly where they are!
(psssst- turns out, there aren't any WMDs after all)
...ok ok ok- it's cause he's got WMD programs!
(psssst- turns out, there were no programs either, because the sanctions and inspectors were effective enough to prevent any work on that stuff)
...ok ok ok- it's cause he wanted to have programs, and he wanted to get out of the inspections!
so you tell me, what's the next "logical" progression?
"...ok ok ok- it's cause he called me a poopoo head!"
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If the Al Qaeda connections with Iraq and WMD programs were non-existent, which increasingly appears to be the case, and Bush and company wanted to invade Iraq for other reasons, such as promoting democracy in the Middle East, then they should've been honest about it when presenting their rationale for war before Congress and the U.N.
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2004 - 01:21pm PT
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Perhaps a feeble attempt to summarize this thread along with the thousands of posts over the last six months related to political topics, but here goes:
For those who sit RIGHT of center: blah blah blah blah blah liberal commie unpatriotic hypocrites blah blah blah blah W is the second coming of Christ and the best thing since sliced bread and no one can convince me otherwise blah blah blah blah blah terrorists, 9/11, WMD, WMD, WMD blah blah blah blah blah blah blah I will not listen to or consider with an open mind anyone’s arguments who don’t agree with mine blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah the Bush/Cheney ticket will win the election, all of the evidence is there. Blah blah blah blah blah blah, neener neener neener you ain’t got no wiener and you stink. Oh yeah, tap tap no backs.
For those who sit LEFT of center: blah blah blah blah blah right wing Nazi a-hole imperialists blah blah blah blah W is the incarnation of the devil and Cheney is the real-life Darth Vader and they even named their most cherished weapons program Star Wars tarnishing the holy trilogy blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah anybody but Bush, even Mickey Mouse or Pluto blah blah blah blah blah Deficit, Corporate Scandals and Halliburton, UN approval, UN approval, UN approval blah blah blah blah blah I will not listen to or consider with an open mind anyone’s arguments who don’t agree with mine blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah the Kerry/Edwards ticket will win the election, all of the evidence is there. Blah blah blah blah blah blah, neener neener neener you ain’t got no wiener and you stink. Oh yeah, tap tap no backs.
I believe Kevin Costner as “Crash” in the movie “Bull Durham” so eloquently stated, when speaking with Susan Sarandon’s character Annie, “Talking to you is like a Martian trying to talk to a Fungo.”
Now let’s not argue which side represents the Martian and which side represents the Fungo, but clearly the right and the left do not understand each other, nor do they try.
Happy Thursday.
P.S. “na-nanny boo-boo stick your head in doodoo,” now that’s funny!
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Bilbo
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Nice Clip Matt, Anyone who actually believes this administration is doing us any good needs to have there heads examined.
So much proof, its almost like the OJ case, and the republicans still won't admit anything is wrong, all the can say is Kerry is a Liberal blah blah blah. Stupid f*#kers wake up!
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dirtbag
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Iraq was described as basically a pre-emptive strike. In other words, we get them before they get us.
Now it seems that the imminent threats necessitating a pre-emptive attack--the nuke program, the Al Qaeda links, the WMDs, were non-existent, thanks to recent reports from, among other groups, that pinko-liberal-commie-peacenik organization, the CIA.
Someone told a fib-fib.
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Matt
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2004 - 02:51pm PT
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hey fat & rad-
are you saying you were worried about SH giving OBL a bunch of WMDs to use against us? see, now, here's the really funny thing about that, he didn't even have any!!! there were none!!! no WMDs- none- not any.
ever think maybe that the lack of any WMDs is the reason why OBL & SH never had any formal connection?
could have gone something like this:
OBL- dood, you are an infidel, i curse you, god is great, give me some poison gas weapons to attack the white devil!
SH- don't got none. can i help your people travel inconspiuously?
OBL- iran already does that.
SH- can i give you the technology to build nooks?
OBL- pakistan's main guy already sells it to everyone that asks for it, say can you introduce me to the north korean infidels?
SH- are you nuts? those guys are insane!
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