Please do not upload images you don't own on SuperTopo

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Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member

Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 14, 2019 - 04:38pm PT

HI Forum,

I'd like to take a moment to clarify that SuperTopo does not condone copyright infringement and we never have.

Please do not, ever, upload an image onto SuperTopo unless you own the rights to that image.

Our Terms of Service has long made it clear that you are only to upload images that you own the rights to. In addition, our Terms of Service make it clear that you alone are responsible and liable, should you upload an image that infringes on another person's copyrights. We do not condone, nor will we accept financial liability, for any member who uploads images or content to SuperTopo that infringes on the copyrights of others.

In addition, on every screen to upload images, we ask members to confirm, "I own the rights to this image and confirm that it meets SuperTopo.com's standards. By clicking the button to Select Photo, I acknowledge that I have read and accept the Terms of Service."

We ask you to review any photos you have uploaded to SuperTopo, and immediately delete any photos you may have uploaded if you are not 100% sure you own the rights to the image.

Should we discover copyright infringing photos on your account, all your photos will be deleted and wiped from the server as a protective measure, and your account may be de-activated.

Please understand that copyright infringement is a violation of Federal law.

We will cooperate with any investigation into copyright infringement.

This is a serious matter.

We ask you to take a moment now to assure you have no images uploaded on SuperTopo, except for those you own the rights to.

Sincerely,

Chris McNamara
Founder
SuperTopo

johntp

Trad climber

Punter

Apr 14, 2019 - 04:51pm PT

We ask you to review any photos you have uploaded to SuperTopo, and immediately delete any photos you may have uploaded if you are not 100% sure you own the rights to the image.

Should we discover copyright infringing photos on your account, all your photos will be deleted and wiped from the server as a protective measure, and your account may be de-activated.

Interesting. Has the taco been put on notice for copyright infringement?

Does this include scanned images of climbing articles?

ron gomez

Trad climber

Apr 14, 2019 - 05:00pm PT

Does this have anything to do with....at least on my device, it states now this is NOT a secure site? Or has this something to do with my lack of tech savy? Inquiring minds want to know.
Peace

TLP

climber

Apr 14, 2019 - 05:14pm PT

To my knowledge, posting things that are public domain, or in the large and expanding realm of creative commons, is definitely not copyright infringement, especially if (as is normally required) the original source is credited. Chris, it would be good to clarify whether Supertopo has heartburn about reposting things that are in the public domain or creative commons, appropriately credited as to source. No one "owns" such content, that's the whole point.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Apr 14, 2019 - 05:15pm PT

Somebody filed a complaint, is my guess. Maybe they tried to reach to offending poster but couldn't or the person didn't comply. Perhaps a lawyer contacted them over an infringing image. Lawyer involved = time and money. But it sounds like CMac is pretty serious on the matter.

johntp

Trad climber

Punter

Apr 14, 2019 - 05:37pm PT

it states now this is NOT a secure site?

Ron, this has been the case for a long time. OT, a good reason to be careful about what one posts here. Any site that doesn't have "https" in the header is not secure.

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Apr 14, 2019 - 05:39pm PT

As a professional photographer. Thank You Chris!.

johntp

Trad climber

Punter

Apr 14, 2019 - 05:48pm PT

I have no clue about copyright law. Do copyrights expire ala Patents?

WBraun

climber

Apr 14, 2019 - 05:57pm PT

If you don't own the photo just hot link it from where the original is located.

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Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Apr 14, 2019 - 05:59pm PT

I have no clue about copyright law. Do copyrights expire ala Patents?

Sure they do. Expiration depends on when it was copyrighted and by whom (and in what country)

For the USA, use :

https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html

Works before 1978 operate by different rules, usually shorter.

Basically anything published for hire before 1923 is out of copyright.

Works not for hire is life of the author + 70 years. For works after 1978.

Don’t forget about fair use and educational-not-for-profit exemptions.

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber

Out Of Bed

Apr 14, 2019 - 06:01pm PT

What i don't get is if it is posted on the world wide web,
and found on a google images search,

Having come from a shared source Re-shared a million times
by grandmothers and junior high school students

not used to any gain beyond "entertainment"
not monetized or sold,
not used to make a profit off

- that should be "Fair Use" of an image.

I have some pictures that I found that way
& it seems I need to remove them from the site
Is that what I need to do ?

I mean half of the pictures that are posted
and three-quarters of the ones on the politics threads
are taken from other publications

I sense this crescendo is more than just a down beat
It sounds like a beat down is coming again

For some
who regularly remove all the pictures that they upload as they go along
(Ekat, I-B-gob)
or others with small quantities of pictures in their folio
(for example, skywalk less than 50)
it is not a big deal.

I have 5,867 pictures that will take more hours than I can safely focus on a screen for~ to go through.
As it has been recommended that you only spend 120 minutes at a stretch
in front of a computer screen if the result of climbing caused you to have limits that you would otherwise not share

neebee

Social climber

calif/texas

Apr 14, 2019 - 06:04pm PT

hey there say, chris... oh my... say, i have shared a few pics that show up on general searches, that i thought were up for general use...

just to be safe, then, i better go delete everything that i did not make...

scary stuff...

very sorry if i misunderstood, what is seen in searches on yahoo images...
:O

thought the 'i own rights' was for photographs...
i will see how to do all this, and take things off...

*i took off all the search-items, that share info, to help others...
i only left my photos, and art...

however, now-- i have left some of the 'free use' icons, that came from my computer program, as to using for artwork, etc, and cards, etc...

though, i was not sure whether to leave the food-photos, they, too, were free use, from my computer... but-- i got worried, so took those off...
hope all is well, here, now,

as, i do not want to do anything wrong...

Bullwinkle

Boulder climber

Apr 14, 2019 - 06:31pm PT

if you didn't make the photograph don't post it, doesn't belong to you no matter what the Law says, it's really simple, it's called common courtesy and being honest.ive had people on this forum scan photographs from my books and post them here, class acts, I don't care whether you give proper credit or not if you don't own it look at it don't steal it. . .df

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber

Out Of Bed

Apr 14, 2019 - 06:32pm PT

How about if you take steps to add your own artistic vision>So I am not removing my pix they are leaving but I'm not removing them?
I have hundreds of Screenshots if that is the right term? I guess they are all going to go Bye-Bye

[snip - images that violate ST copyright policy removed]

Mr E
And Aeriq
i don't know who anyone is

[snip - personal information on other people removed]

ok now that was very clear<> I get the message
NO COPY PASTE!oK
i'M GOING THRU MY PIX...
and
Do you

G` no me?

Risk

Mountain climber

Marooned, 855 miles from Tuolumne Meadows

Apr 14, 2019 - 06:38pm PT

Done. I think.

ron gomez

Trad climber

Apr 14, 2019 - 06:45pm PT

“Please do not, ever, upload an image onto SuperTopo unless you own the rights to that image. “
Good lord, seems like a simple enough request. This is Chris’ site, we all make a choice to click on it and do whatever we choose, good or bad. Just like we think we have the right to say or post whatever we do.....Chris has the equal right to choose if he wants it on HIS site. If you don’t agree, then don’t contribute. I know what I put on here can be agreed/disagreed with, my photos can be used...if I put them on the internet....I expect they may be used without my permission. I’ve deleted threads of mine if they went in a direction they were not intended...it’s my CHOICE. Like Bullwinkie says, “don’t steal my stuff”.....common coutesty and common sense.
Peace

nah000

climber

now/here

Apr 14, 2019 - 07:00pm PT

Cmac wrote: "We ask you to take a moment now to assure you have no images uploaded on SuperTopo, except for those you own the rights to."

if this is seriously going to be enforced as written above, that means there will be no accommodation for images in the public domain and/or images used under the fair use doctrine.

and if neither of those are going to be allowed then probably 95% of the folks who actually contribute something more than chatter around here, are going to exist with the threat of having all of their contributions deleted.

hopefully, this is clarified and/or thought through more completely.

that said and unfortunately, given the ham handed and repeated lack of respect for the contributions of those who have used this site in the past... i won't be holding my breath.

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber

Out Of Bed

Apr 14, 2019 - 07:09pm PT

NahOOO,
It doesn't like there will be any sort of "Fair Use" applied. I went to the La Sportiva video to get fresh pictures of the shoes, just now in real time even though I had altered them they were deleted.

Hey wise ass I have a few choice shots of yours too as do others, If I were to guess it has nothing to do with those. by the way nice pair of Ace's! thnx they seem to have stayed,?