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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 12, 2019 - 10:15am PT
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WB--You have to have a certification for every rule :-)
A few years ago I met Clark J. at the pit in JT. He thought some of the certs for guide climbers were a joke as some of the people getting them had virtually zero experience.
Latter I went out with a couple of guys that had passed some cert climbing course. They both had a ton of experience and yet, the one guy skipped putting in a piece of gear early on only to sketch latter getting a piece in higher up.
I went through a rubber stamp Paramedic program for all the wrong reasons and I sucked.I had the book stuff down cold but zero experience.The practicum and mentor ship sucked big time. On the job some of my partners were addicts and they sucked too. So much for training and certificates. I washed myself out of the field after four years (1985). I had un-diagnosed PTSD before PTSD became popular. I just knew I had to get out.
With communications and cameras it may be better now, I don't know. Personally, I feel that there should be an ER Doc, like in Germany, on board the ambulance. Not saying there aren't any non sucky paramedics. There are some really good ones. But there was a lot of humpf and chest pounding and posturing that went on in the past. May be it still does.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 12, 2019 - 10:19am PT
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The good medics generally are the firemen. I met some good private ambulance guys last
week but I doubt they get anywhere near the recurrent training that the firemen get.
How about the poor sucker who died on the avy cert course? The blind leading the blind?
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Inner City
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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Jan 12, 2019 - 10:26am PT
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Have had one: Windsurfing....a week later I doubt I could have got going on one.
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2019 - 10:30am PT
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I heard that Seattle Fire has a very rigorous paramedic program and will wash you out if your not up to snuff. Good on them. I have also known of, shall I say, not so righteous fire dept's. So it goes.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Jan 12, 2019 - 10:33am PT
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Capseeboy,
Sorry you had a bad experience with your PM program. I went through Paramedic School in 1987 after being an EMT for a few years and it was far from a rubber stamp experience. It was one of the toughest and most demanding experiences I have ever had. My paramedic preceptors demanded the best and I am thankful for that. I ended up working for the LAFD for 30 years after that. The first 20 on rescue ambulances in South Central and East LA. I am grateful for the high standards demanded on me during my training because it paid off big time once I was on my own.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 12, 2019 - 10:33am PT
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Far more relevant is the Socialst Republic of California requiring RNPs, Registered Nurse
Practioners, to get a Masters degree. Sounds good to the average stoopid bureaucrat but
talk to ANYONE who actually delivers health care and they will tell you it is complete BS.
A masters program is strictly about writing some obtuse arcane paper without any clinical
relevance whatsoever. Masters programs add ZERO to an RN’s clinical knowledge or competence.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jan 12, 2019 - 11:46am PT
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My college degree: Bachelor of Music; B.M.
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TLP
climber
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Jan 12, 2019 - 12:04pm PT
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For the variety of things I've done in my 30-year career, with zero failure, there are now SEVEN different certifications that would be applicable. I have two of those, one a legally required license with a 2-minute biennial renewal process, and the other an agency accreditation with an easy annual renewal. I know folks who have multiple of the other ones who are largely incompetent. It's BS, pretty much entirely a racket to sell worthless "professional development". There's a legitimate case to be made (though in each case needing to be fully debated) for licenses in medicine and engineering, marginally in legal work. But the rest of them ought to be eliminated.
We moved some furniture around recently, I guess we should expect stormtroopers bearing warrants for our arrest for doing it without an interior designer license. WTF??
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Jan 12, 2019 - 01:00pm PT
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Had a lady i met on a online dating site who said she would feel more comfortable going on a climbing date with me if i would get rappel certified at her climbing gym, which repelled me.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 12, 2019 - 01:21pm PT
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I had kinda of a certificate back in 1972. I became a licensed Middle Fork Salmon Guide in Idaho. I suspect there may have been other requirements, but the one that got checked, was my doing three Middle Fork river trips at 5 - 7 days each. The Idaho Outfitters & Guide Board carefully regulated the process, & when I got involved in another line of work the next summer, I was no longer certified.
Re Reilly's mention of a Master's requirement for RN's. When I was getting my science degree at the U of Idaho in the late 60's, the RN students were taking the same basic science courses that I found tough. Two semesters of Physics & Organic chemistry, among others, didn't seem like something a nurse would need. I assumed the stiff requirements were to weed out the less motivated & smart.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 12, 2019 - 01:27pm PT
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I only have a "st00pid American" certification ......
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ron gomez
Trad climber
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Jan 12, 2019 - 01:49pm PT
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When I got outa college and passed my boards, my mentor told me...ok now yer qualified to go out and LEARN your field. I had the basic knowledge and was provided a cert to go put in the practical experience, get my hands dirty, learn from others and study my field to give me the skills I still continue to gather to this day...30 years later. You NEVER stop learning and if you ever think you know it all, time to retire your field. NEVER stop learning always continue to study!
Peace
Edit: and Werner, you have a doctorate in experience Brother!
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Jan 12, 2019 - 02:19pm PT
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Ron,
That’s exactly what I told all my trainees either fire or paramedic. Never trust anyone who either acts like they know it all or tells you they are an expert in the field.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
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Jan 12, 2019 - 03:16pm PT
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Yeah Batrock, I love it when someone new to the field comes along and cops an attitude when you attempt to teach them something or give usefull advice. I got some great mentors, teachers and relationships that have kept me grounded and motivated to always try to be better at what I do.
Peace
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Bale
Mountain climber
UT
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Jan 12, 2019 - 05:42pm PT
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Captain of the Cross Country team in high school. Worthless. All the girls went for football players.
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DanaB
climber
CO
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Jan 12, 2019 - 06:27pm PT
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talk to ANYONE who actually delivers health care and they will tell you it is complete BS.
A masters program is strictly about writing some obtuse arcane paper without any clinical
relevance whatsoever. Masters programs add ZERO to an RN’s clinical knowledge or competence.
Anyone, complete BS, zero, without any clinical relevance?
I deliver health care; have for over 40 years. I have an MSN, as well.
I disagree.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
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Jan 12, 2019 - 07:10pm PT
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Dana, yeah...in my day you graduated with BS, then went to work...no one got Masters unless you were teaching at community or university level. Now I gotta snicker that these masters wining I make what they do...till the boss says, “he’s got 30+ years on you..he should be making MORE than you!”
Peace
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 12, 2019 - 07:20pm PT
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Well, Dana, how does writing papers improve yer clinical skills?
That’s like saying you can learn to rock climb by reading a book.
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looks easy from here
climber
Santa Cruzish
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Jan 12, 2019 - 07:33pm PT
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Writing comes from reading, and reading is an excellent way to stay up-to-date on new research and best practice. Also FNP masters programs have hundreds of hours of clinical time.
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DanaB
climber
CO
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Jan 12, 2019 - 08:03pm PT
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I did quite a bit of clinical work.
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