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james Colborn
Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 8, 2018 - 09:41pm PT
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Thinking of folks in Paradise and the communities above Chico. Be safe. Andy and Nita you guys ok?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there, say, james... yes, i am hoping they are safe, too...
and, others... oh my... just heard about all this going on...
:(
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, T Hocking... thanks for the update and link...
i just saw the 'wildfire' thread, too...
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Climberdude
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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Stay safe people. I hope the climbs of the Feather River Canyon stay safe. I really like the climbs on Bear Creek Dome.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Incredibly sad. Lives lost in cars trying to escape. Those poor souls.
I may have to get a ride up there today to help evacuate my friends BMW motorcycle. If I do, it will be the second time I evacuate a fire on a Beemer this year.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, originalpmac...
oh my... :(
if you go to help, prayers for all to go well,
with all you do...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there, say, mouse...
also, late to mention...
lovely bridge ... my mom and i love these bridges, too...
she and her sister, before the sis died in her-own frozen pond,
well, they took us for walks to see all these neat bridges in ohio...
prayers for all the folks,
still fighting this/these fires... :(
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Nov 10, 2018 - 06:10am PT
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A truly gutless creature.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 10, 2018 - 06:14am PT
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^^^^What is this, the New Boob thread? Sheesh!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 10, 2018 - 06:29am PT
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Trump is a phucking idiot, a national embarrassment.
The President's proposed budget for discretionary funding for the Forest Service in FY 2017 is $4.9 billion, which is $787 million less than the FY 2016 enacted level but with strategic increases to meet public demand to increase forest restoration and reduce wildfire threats to communities.
The forest Service manages 193 million acres
https://www.fs.fed.us/sites/default/files/fy-2017-fs-budget-overview.pdf
Mostof the money goes to Prepardness and suppression
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dhayan
climber
culver city, ca
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Nov 10, 2018 - 09:38am PT
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Wow that video is nuts.
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John M
climber
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Nov 10, 2018 - 10:06am PT
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wow.. some video.
Got to say that video highlights what I thought of that community 4 years ago. I looked at moving there and thought the housing was too dense for the amount of exit roads and the trees and brush were way overgrown. There didn't seem to be any clearing done anywhere. Homes had dense brush and trees growing right up to them and over them and so did the highways. That works okay if there is sufficient moisture, but is a death trap in a drought and a drier climate. I have no idea what they did to combat this problem in the intervening 4 years of drought and beetle kill, but that video shows that there was still a lot of overgrowth.
Of course with high winds and very dry conditions I'm not sure how much clearing would have saved them, except if the roads weren't overgrown, then at least it might have been easier and safer to exit.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 10, 2018 - 10:36am PT
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Complete devastation, must be horrific for the survivors of Paradise. I have an inkling of what they feel having sustained 120k of damage from a 48 k acre wildfire north of Reno this summer. I've completed restoration of the structure damage and adjacent landscaping, but I will damn sure keep at least a 100' defensive perimeter in the future. It looks like whole towns in cali would be advised to ignore the fed and state regs and cut wide swaths of fire lines around the perimeter of there town centers. Better to be bullied and sued by over bearing agencies that aren't deploying any effective forestry management than burned up.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 10, 2018 - 11:43am PT
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I'm very sorry to say that I agree, in principle, with Trump.
The fire near Los Angeles is a simple replay of the Malibu Fire of 20 years ago or so. Same areas, same similar causes (Santa Ana winds, dense brush overgrowth).
Here is a story about my patient, who survived the fire, barely:
http://www.topangamessenger.com/story_detail.php?SectionID=&ArticleID=1646
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 10, 2018 - 11:54am PT
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There seems to be a prevalent pattern involved in all these fires: people refusing to evacuate when ordered to do so, then becoming a huge problem to deal with when the sh#t hits the fan. Similar thing with the hurricanes.
The firefighters are diverted from fighting fire, to rescuing people, or the people trying to get out block roads that the firefighters need to get their trucks in.
Massive problem, and getting worse.
I see little discussion of how to reverse this trend.
I don't have insight to the mentality at work. It is almost always a judgement between risks. How would a State law making people ineligible for aid if they ignore a mandatory order? Allow their insurance company to deny the claim? Require that the land involved be reverted to State ownership, as a "hazard?", and not allow re-building?
We see what happens when NOTHING is done. 9 people now dead.
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John M
climber
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Nov 10, 2018 - 12:00pm PT
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nobody ignored any warnings in the camp fire. It just happened too fast with a lot of people in a small area with few exit roads. Most people just don't understand how fast a fire can move.
The fire near Los Angeles is a simple replay of the Malibu Fire of 20 years ago or so. Same areas, same similar causes (Santa Ana winds, dense brush overgrowth).
what would you suggest that they do? thinning would bust the forest service budget. At some point you can't blame the forest service for everything. If you want to build in areas that burn every 20 years, then you take the risk. Perhaps every subdivision should have clearance all the way around.
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dhayan
climber
culver city, ca
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Nov 10, 2018 - 04:40pm PT
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As someone who prepares fuel modification plans for homes in Malibu and la area, i can tell you that their restrictions are extremely strict. But even if you have a cleared perimeter around combustible structures from 100’ to 200’, when the Santa Ana’s are blowing at 50 knots there is not a ton that can be done because it is simply not possible for firefighters to be present at every site that ignites. Embers fly sometimes a mile or more through the air. And there is no “foresting” that can be done in the Santa Monicas, as it is mostly shrubs with occasional sporadic oaks and sycamores that are native protected species.
Here is Brian Rice’s (president of firefighters) response to trumps asinine comments:
CPF President Brian Rice Responds to President Attack on CA Fire Response
As a quarter-million Californians fled from the path of a series of deadly wildfires, and thousands of firefighters did battle on the front lines, President Trump issued a statement threatening to withhold federal disaster aid and attacking California fire policies.
California Professional Firefighters President Brian K. Rice issued the following response to the president's threat.
"The president’s message attacking California and threatening to withhold aid to the victims of the cataclysmic fires is Ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning to those who are suffering as well as the men and women on the front lines.
"At a time when our every effort should be focused on vanquishing the destructive fires and helping the victims, the president has chosen instead to issue an uninformed political threat aimed squarely at the innocent victims of these cataclysmic fires.
"At this moment, thousands of our brother and sister firefighters are putting their lives on the line to protect the lives and property of thousands. Some of them are doing so even as their own homes lay in ruins. In my view, this shameful attack on California is an attack on all our courageous men and women on the front lines.
"The president’s assertion that California’s forest management policies are to blame for catastrophic wildfire is dangerously wrong. Wildfires are sparked and spread not only in forested areas but in populated areas and open fields fueled by parched vegetation, high winds, low humidity and geography. Moreover, nearly 60 percent of California forests are under federal management, and another two-thirds under private control. It is the federal government that has chosen to divert resources away from forest management, not California.
"Natural disasters are not “red” or “blue” – they destroy regardless of party. Right now, families are in mourning, thousands have lost homes, and a quarter-million Americans have been forced to flee. At this desperate time, we would encourage the president to offer support in word and deed, instead of recrimination and blame."
California Professional Firefighters represents more than 30,000 front line firefighters and paramedics in California. CPF is the state council of the International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF)
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Nov 10, 2018 - 04:57pm PT
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nobody ignored any warnings in the camp fire. It just happened too fast with a lot of people in a small area with few exit roads. Most people just don't understand how fast a fire can move.
+1
>>>Edit for John M...John, so far..we have very little beetle kill in the North State.
Edit for T hocking, The morning we left town, it had started to drop ash and the air had a very toxic burnt smell, my eyes & throat were stinging.
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