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RURP_Belay
Big Wall climber
Bitter end of a bad anchor
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Jun 11, 2018 - 07:10pm PT
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A simple door lock solves any of your concerns.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Jun 11, 2018 - 07:12pm PT
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Just think of yourself outside in the mountains, same issue.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jun 11, 2018 - 07:14pm PT
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I agree about the door locks, but it's a shower area and an open changing area and a fairly open toilet area.
Not the same as the mountains because my kids can go find some privacy. But not a bad point Charlie.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 11, 2018 - 07:17pm PT
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"Well, women's restrooms are generally much cleaner than men's."
And what about the golden showers? Everywhere?
"We'll leave the seat up, hear?"
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Jun 11, 2018 - 07:22pm PT
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in the case of single use, individual toilet, with individual access... why not just call it a restroom?
i do not recall a sign "Multi race drinking fountain"
and yes Micronut, we have been well past that point for quite some time now....
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Jun 11, 2018 - 07:22pm PT
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You've raised a politically incorrect question in a reasoned and intelligent way.
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ruppell
climber
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Jun 11, 2018 - 07:25pm PT
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2. I would not mind having a third option for people who don't identify as male or female.
That pretty much sums up what needs to happen.
Co-gender bathrooms are fine for consenting adults. Not so much if you don't consent and might not even be an adult.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Jun 11, 2018 - 07:31pm PT
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Usually people just mind their own business. You should ask the manager if there have been any issues. I doubt there have been any.
Kids are pretty resilient and understanding.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jun 11, 2018 - 07:33pm PT
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Ed Bannister and Ruppel, My thoughts exactly, but I don't seem to have a choice in the matter. Especially when the establishment claims to want "everybody to feel comfortable." My Family and many other friends of mine definitely don't.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jun 11, 2018 - 07:37pm PT
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Nothing changes... if anything it's the normal looking button-down shirt guy you likely won't expect to be the problem.
If somebody does actually physically assault your kids, you beat them severely just shy of death and call the police. Doesn't matter if it's the starched shirt white guy or the scary looking lgbqtxyz person(who is actually under much more scrutiny).
Public showers without privacy are gross. Don't use them.
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Tom Patterson
Trad climber
Seattle
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Jun 11, 2018 - 08:01pm PT
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Well, women's restrooms are generally much cleaner than men's.
Okay...THAT is hilarious. You've clearly never been a janitor.
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SusanA
Sport climber
Bay Area
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Jun 11, 2018 - 08:06pm PT
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Would you prefer this sign?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 11, 2018 - 08:12pm PT
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you beat them severely just shy of death and call the police
Guess who's going to jail?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jun 11, 2018 - 08:13pm PT
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It doesn't mean you're a bad person if you are a schlong watcher...
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SusanA
Sport climber
Bay Area
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Jun 11, 2018 - 08:19pm PT
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1. This is not about having "safe places" for people who don't identify as male or female nor is it an LGBTQ "rights" issue in my opinion.
We all can see that in your words.
2. I would not mind having a third option for people who don't identify as male or female.
Like we did for colored folk back in the day?
3. I want my kids to feel safe when changing or showering. I wouldn't want my teenage daughter to have some teenage guys in there peeping it on her showering or a dirty old man peeping in on her while they shower or change or use the bathroom.
Since when do teenage girls shower at a climbing gym anyway? I was once a teenage girl. We didn't shower in the high school locker room at school, and we sure were not going to shower in some climbing gym with nasty old ladies.
4. Honestly, what does this accomplish, my guess is that it makes a whole lot more people feel uncomfortable than a few who would feel uncomfortable having to use the bathroom of the sex/gender they were born with.
It accomplishes something you obviously don't understand or care about.
5. My intent is not to revisit the old gender "neutral bathroom issue", but to try to dig into what our communities are now forcing upon those of us who would feel tremendously uncomfortable having somebody from the opposite sex share a fairly private space. I would feel uncomfortable, my kids would be terrified, and many of my heterosexual friends feel the same.
You are focusing on YOUR momentary discomfort. Have you ever considered that others spend much of their entire lives feeling uncomfortable?
But nobody seems to be caring that we would feel terribly uncomfortable. Does that make sense?
I don't see a lot of caring in your post either. None at all.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jun 11, 2018 - 08:24pm PT
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I remember the swedish college girls on the x-country ski team stripping down in front of the boys on the team before a race ...American's can sometimes be prudish...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 11, 2018 - 08:28pm PT
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Well I guess this is more serious than I first thought
What do folks do out on the PCT?
The YMCA HAS AGE LIMITS AND (available) private rooms.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jun 11, 2018 - 08:37pm PT
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I agree with Susan A. Micronut! Your post is not worthy for you.
Jun 11, 2018 - 08:19pm PT
1. This is not about having "safe places" for people who don't identify as male or female nor is it an LGBTQ "rights" issue in my opinion.
We all can see that in your words.
2. I would not mind having a third option for people who don't identify as male or female.
Like we did for colored folk back in the day?
3. I want my kids to feel safe when changing or showering. I wouldn't want my teenage daughter to have some teenage guys in there peeping it on her showering or a dirty old man peeping in on her while they shower or change or use the bathroom.
Since when do teenage girls shower at a climbing gym anyway? I was once a teenage girl. We didn't shower in the high school locker room at school, and we sure were not going to shower in some climbing gym with nasty old ladies.
4. Honestly, what does this accomplish, my guess is that it makes a whole lot more people feel uncomfortable than a few who would feel uncomfortable having to use the bathroom of the sex/gender they were born with.
It accomplishes something you obviously don't understand or care about.
5. My intent is not to revisit the old gender "neutral bathroom issue", but to try to dig into what our communities are now forcing upon those of us who would feel tremendously uncomfortable having somebody from the opposite sex share a fairly private space. I would feel uncomfortable, my kids would be terrified, and many of my heterosexual friends feel the same.
You are focusing on YOUR momentary discomfort. Have you ever considered that others spend much of their entire lives feeling uncomfortable?
But nobody seems to be caring that we would feel terribly uncomfortable. Does that make sense?
I don't see a lot of caring in your post either. None at all.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 11, 2018 - 08:41pm PT
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They're complying with California law. Plain as that. If they don't put the sign up and comply they get fined.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 11, 2018 - 08:42pm PT
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Just be like a surfer and piss next to your car while changing out of your wetsuit.
All the ninnies will be clustered inside around the bathroom door fiddling with their Gender Interpretation App and so the only other person in the parking lot is probably drunk and won't notice.
Winner winner chicken dinner.
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