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gruzzy
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socal
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 2, 2017 - 01:38pm PT
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At least hes trying to remove the largest discriminatory policy this country has ever enacted!
With all the talk about not discriminating, why would you put certain classes of people above others? We are all the same humans.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Everything before the word but is generally bulish1t.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Affirmative action - as an Irishman I'm definitely for it.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Will this mean I'll finally get my share of free government cheese?
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DanaB
climber
CT
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largest discriminatory policy this country has ever enacted!
Oh, absolutely. Why didn't anyone else notice his?
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Norton
Social climber
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Does this mean i will get my free Trump phone?
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jbaker
Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
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Definitely the largest discriminatory policy in history. Much worse than slavery, or indentured servitude, or internment camps, or mass incarceration.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Did I miss something while I was up checking on the Bishop Illuminati?
Did he ban bolts and sportclimbing, finally?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oh, that explains the hipster in the Prius doing 80 in the right hand lane earlier today. Thanks, braj!
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Norton
Social climber
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Definitely the largest discriminatory policy in history
yes, white people have been held down far too long
Affirmative Action is a joke, let's get back to the good old days when certain people knew their place in this country, I long for a return to Father Knows Best and Leave it to Beaver
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Oh it all sounds so simple.
About 1987 UC was found to have a secret discriminatory practice of admitting Asians, because based on academic measures alone, Asians (about 11% of the population then) would have taken up about 80% of enrollment.
UC has gone through many iterations of Affirmative Action since then and one could say it's someone based on merit system now. Asians comprise about 14% of Ca population and about 40% of UC enrollment. Whites are about 49% of the population and comprise about 38% of enrollment. UC is mandated to take the top 6% of h.s. seniors. So based on merit alone a lot of white kids aren't cutting it. It's posited that if UC went strictly on academic measures only, Asians would comprise about 90% of enrollment. But, then there is football and basketball and swim teams that must be populated.
Yes we're all human. However the schools we go to and opportunities we get make a level playing field almost unheard of.
Then there are the Jared Kushners of the world whose Daddies just donate millions of dollars to chosen school to help the little boy with a sucky academic record.
Susan
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Prius have supplanted BMW as the biggest dicks on the road.
That would be Volvo owners who have been supplanted up here in the PNW - total dicks.
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sween345
climber
back east
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Yeah Volvo.
If you need a car that safe you shouldn't be driving!
Remember their commercials from the 70's with Rennes Jullienne(sp)?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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UC has gone through many iterations of Affirmative Action since then and one could say it's someone based on merit system now. Asians comprise about 14% of Ca population and about 40% of UC enrollment. Whites are about 49% of the population and comprise about 38% of enrollment. UC is mandated to take the top 6% of h.s. seniors. So based on merit alone a lot of white kids aren't cutting it. It's posited that if UC went strictly on academic measures only, Asians would comprise about 90% of enrollment. But, then there is football and basketball and swim teams that must be populated.
If those are the numbers, those are the numbers.
My observations from attending my nephew's graduation from UCI a year or two ago:
At the graduation program for his "school" (if that's the right word) in biology, it seemed like it was something like 80% Asian (of different flavors), 18% white, 2% hispanic, and essentially 0% black. (Obviously, I'm making those numbers up--another way to say it would be overwhelming majority Asian with a significant minority of whites, a very few hispanics, and no or essentially no blacks).
It's not like I went there to take some sort of ethnic study, but the racial make-up was so different from what I see in my daily life in Colorado (Denver/Boulder) that it really stood out.
Part of the diversity of course was being in California, but what I saw wasn't very representative of the overall make-up of California. May have been somewhat representative of Orange County, I'm not sure.
Not saying any of this is good or bad, it was just interesting for me to see.
Hopefully, Trump will put an end to discriminating against Asians if that's what's happening, although from what I saw, they are, um, more than well represented at UCI at least.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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They don't call it the University of Chinese Immigrants for nothing.
Reilly, he finally kicked the Prius's out of the diamond lanes.
Excuse me, but the plural of Prius is Prii.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Blah blah. Your anecdotal observation is spot on.
UC Irvine has very high Asian enrollment because that school is heavy in the science and tech programs.
Susan
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gruzzy
Social climber
socal
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2017 - 05:12pm PT
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I am being an idealist. I am assuming that people will be hired based on skills/ability for obtaining employment, knowledge of world history to become president, non chronyism in other life realms....and inversely that they wont be denied anything based on sex, age, race, religion, etc.
To continually say we must make amends for past actions is simply not logical. How far are we going to go back? Maybe we should give Cally back to Mexico(at least there would be access to a universal health plan), should we compensate the great great great great great great great great great great granchildren of slain foreign soldiers fighting the US because they lost their lives? We can change the future but we are not touching the past.
I have never understood why anyone has to put a name, age, sex, or race on an application. Why would an employer need to know that? Maybe with automation and robotics AI can perform interviews.
Regardless of why you say affirmative action should exist, any special status to the few as opposed to the all is discriminatory. Damned if we do damned if we dont. Just opinions.
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