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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jun 28, 2017 - 08:30pm PT
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There is so much fundamentally wrong with so many of the statements in this article that I'm not sure where to start. That sure was a whole lot of writing for some skewed logic and misguided angst. Cedar seems like a funny guy with a big heart and this kind of drivel seems pretty off base. I think the author should stick to climbing and go out and have a little bit of fun outside.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Jun 28, 2017 - 08:39pm PT
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far from objective, mildly racist and sexist but it's her opinion and she has a right to voice it.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 28, 2017 - 08:44pm PT
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LOL .... Cedar trolled Erin.
Too funny .....
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jun 28, 2017 - 09:07pm PT
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I listened to the enormocast, they were talking about the age old dynamics of members of the opposite sex climbing together. Date or not a date? Etc. The article twisted the booty shorts comment to fit her view, which seems a bit extreme to me but whatevs.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Jun 28, 2017 - 09:15pm PT
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Conversely, if he had said he enjoyed watching women climb in bootie shorts she would have written 9000 words about microaggressions.
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nah000
climber
now/here
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Jun 28, 2017 - 09:22pm PT
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i read the article and based only on that was guessing this was overwrought unnecessary handwringing over a joke that hadn't quite landed...
but it was a good excuse to listen to the enormocast so i did that...
and to be honest, now that i've actually listened, i think she has a point regarding cedar's comments.
i think she could have used a different tack if her intent was to educate... but that's her prerogative and contrary to my guess, cedar did seem to be giving an honest and seriously intended answer when he made the comment.
the question that he was answering was regarding a woman asking something to the effect of "how can i get potential climbing partners to view me as a climber rather than just a hook up?"
cedar's answer didn't seem, to at least me, to be tongue in cheek, as i had originally guessed it would be... he genuinely seemed to be saying that along with a list of other serious answers that he gave, that one way for a woman to be taken more seriously was for her to not wear booty shorts and to wear modest baggy clothing...
calling this slut shaming and a reinforcement of rape culture, is, as far as i could tell as a podcast listener, pretty much spot on.
but who knows, maybe i missed something... before you get defensive or outraged, you should go and take 90 seconds to listen for yourself. once you download the enormocast cedar's quote starts at about 25:30. [and no i am not chris kalous... hahahaha]
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2017 - 09:30pm PT
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Just a So Cal / Nor Cal thing, I guess. We've always been clothing light around LA based crags.
I can't say I've ever cared much about women's clothing at the cliffs, but man the sh#t some people get away with wearing in the sierra drives me nuts. I'm going to go full sharia law on November ascents of 14'ers, head to toe in Gore or you get trundled.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2017 - 10:13pm PT
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Not true if I popped up next to you in a thong you would give a sh#t. You would be inspired.
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nah000
climber
now/here
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Jun 28, 2017 - 10:14pm PT
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JB: an apology?
nah... just wanted to point out that i found the write up initially off putting, even if i did end up agreeing with her main point, once i'd listened to the podcast itself.
there was just too much vitriol, for even my tastes... hahaha.
i think most everyone agrees with the rest of your point, which is why cedar's comments will prob seem a bit strange to many of those that go beyond the article and actually listen to what he said...
GD: that's some funny shIt...
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klaus
Big Wall climber
Florence & Normandy
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Jun 29, 2017 - 06:27am PT
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Is Seed Eater even relevant in the climbing world? Last I saw he was gripping Hon's chalkbag trying to be on camera saying "I'm more famous than you". Now he's a misogynist, big surprise huh?
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cleo
Social climber
wherever you go, there you are
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Jun 29, 2017 - 08:03am PT
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wasn't there a stupid photoshoot ad recently with a bunch of guys climbing and a bunch of girls sitting around cheering them on? were cedar and alex in that too?
there was a thread about it here somewhere.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 29, 2017 - 08:35am PT
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You mean this?
My current boycott list:
Cedar Wright
Daniel Woods
Jimmy Chin
Andrew Bishirat
John Long
I will never click on one of their YouTube videos ever ever again and if I see them at film festivals I will NOT make eye contact. May even say something passive aggressive under my breath as they walk by to my friends, I don't know I haven't planned that far ahead yet.
I used to sell $6,000 tempur-pedic beds to little old ladies that didn't want them but I would never stoop so low as to get paid for a photo shoot. F*#k that.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 29, 2017 - 08:55am PT
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"Totally irrelevent"
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nathanael
climber
CA
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Jun 29, 2017 - 08:59am PT
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yea the real movers and shakers in today's climbing scene are here on supertopo arguing about whether or not alex honnold should be free soloing
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jun 29, 2017 - 09:02am PT
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I enjoyed the Enormocast and will listen to more of them. The discussion on lowering v rappelling off of sport climbs was relevant to me--- I went out with some core sport climbers to a core sport area last weekend and didn't really know whether to rap or lower. I asked and they said everyone lowers at the crag. Important stuff!!
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jun 29, 2017 - 09:06am PT
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I'm just somewhat intrigued with the idea that GDavis could show up next to me at the crag wearing a thong
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jun 29, 2017 - 09:20am PT
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Dude. Your moniker is BJ.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jun 29, 2017 - 10:19am PT
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LOL! I admit I stepped into that one, but that's all I'll admit.
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