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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 23, 2017 - 12:07pm PT
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If you found an untouched valley full of arch stuff from an unknown civilization what would you do?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 23, 2017 - 02:31pm PT
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Re-read Enchanted Vagabonds and Finders Keepers.
And get rich Nugga!!!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 23, 2017 - 02:37pm PT
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Based on awesome TR you shared in past, I would pay attention to local country laws and political sensitivities.
Just don't trust anyone who says "you throw me the idol, I throw you the whip!"
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2017 - 04:52pm PT
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I haven't been able to get in touch with the mammoth Doctor! The politics of the area are difficult and several different groups are wanting information. If I tell the arch guys they will fly in and box it up. If I don't within 20 years it will be looted. At the same time I have the memory burned in my head of my indigenous friend after showing him. His reaction upon seeing it brings tears to my eye.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Apr 23, 2017 - 05:12pm PT
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i'd be researching/vetting the hell out of anyone i told about it, prior to divulging the info.
and then i'd probably try to tell two or three individual/groups with vested interests... something like a local indigenous organization, an active archaeologist local to that country, and another archaeologist with a more global reach...
that way, if you are able to vet them well, they can oversee each other, and the necessary dialogue and compromise can start from the get go, rather than having one party get a "head start" due to your only telling one group...
tricky one though. best of luck.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 23, 2017 - 05:18pm PT
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Yo, take all the pics you can even movies. Then try figure out which tribe its from.. And go tell their children.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2017 - 05:51pm PT
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I know it is a tricky one. The vetting is difficult due to internal disagreements with some involved in HN archeology. Also the usa government and Honduran government are getting involved.
I have been in contact with arch guys all over. Everyone says hmmm...tell me!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 23, 2017 - 06:02pm PT
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Fill the valley with a meter of topsoil and put in a golf course.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 23, 2017 - 06:05pm PT
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I would contact a archaeological magazine and in agreement for them getting first photos and information and publication rights oon the whole thing, they promote your Go Fund me site, for the sites preservation.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2017 - 06:10pm PT
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It will take more than a meter of dirt to cover this up! And I hate hiking with shovels. Sounds like to much work for me!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 23, 2017 - 06:15pm PT
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Hire studly;)
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2017 - 09:40pm PT
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An Indian associated with this wants to tell everyone. It is a strange battle. He thinks media attention will help save the area. Honduras is always tricky. He doesn't know the location.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Apr 23, 2017 - 10:03pm PT
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Woolly Mammoth Terrace?
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Apr 24, 2017 - 04:05am PT
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Recognizing drainages of vast potential from the air seems common?
Are others out there trying to guzump your claim?
While seeing a decline in the whole production, I think that "National Geographic" is still the paying publication with a big enough footprint to throw elbows with the Hondurans.
The magazine, has for the last few years been weak sauce, compared to pre-Internet days.
But the organization still stands for research and preservation.
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Apr 24, 2017 - 06:54am PT
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I can't speak for Central American arch, but I had a similar experience on a big Federal project in the southern Great Basin. I took lots of photos and notes, then told my archaeology colleagues about it and took them in to see it. They still refer to that day as "the death march" because it was so far back in.
On another occasion (same part of the world, different project and different Federal agency) we were at this fabulous arch site with two Tribal Representatives, one Shoshone and one Paiute. For a couple of hours as we sat in this cave surrounded by all of these undisturbed artifacts these two Elders of the Tribe told us stories about the meaning of the place, about the origin stories of their people, and about the relationship between these two tribes. It was perhaps the single best day of field work I have ever had. I later learned that the tribal representatives had never intended to tell us so much, but we had made a real connection with them during the day and had earned their trust. A day of magic for me, to be sure.
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hamie
Social climber
Thekoots
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Apr 24, 2017 - 08:09am PT
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Sounds like this might be referring to the boulders area above Camp 4?
Have you contacted Indiana Jones?
drindyj@arch.com Yes, he's willing to help.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 24, 2017 - 08:56am PT
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Actually there is gold in all the surrounding creeks.
Nick Danger, your story is great!
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Apr 24, 2017 - 09:29am PT
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Geez Q-Ball, keep it on the down low for as long as you can at least until you have if figured out huh? Definitely not media. Leverage the situation so that it will continue to involve you I guess.
Arne
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 24, 2017 - 09:42am PT
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Just visited the Edge Of The Cedars Museum in Blanding, UT. They have an
interesting display about people who have discovered things and done the
standup thang. Sadly, that involves a lot of BS while BLM people get their
donuts in a row. Nevertheless, it is nice to know there are people out there
being good citizens as opposed to the looters, some of whom have used helos
and rappelling to get to sites to loot them.
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