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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 20, 2006 - 06:43pm PT
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Hi Gang,
Tim Green has divied up all of the great prizes that the sponsors have donated into 17 prizes. It's an amazing spread.
Grand Prize: Valued @ $8069.33
Second Prize: Valued @ $1786.95
Third Prize: Valued @ $1024.60
Fourth Prize: Valued @ $620.10
Fifth Prize: Valued @ $595.15
Sixth Prize: Valued @ $180.90
Seventh Prize: Valued @ $150.95
10 Eighth Place Prizes: Valued @ $30.95ea
For a specific list of prizes check out the Donated Prize page on the Bachar Benefit site at [url]http://bachar.gr-outdoors.net/[/url].
The drawing will be at 10:00 AM CDT. Winners will be notified immediately by email and I will post the winners on the Bachar Benefit site right after that. Raffle Ticket sales will close at midnight tonight, Oct 20.
Good luck,
Malcolm
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Raoul
climber
that nagging feeling in the back of your head
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Oct 20, 2006 - 07:14pm PT
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Not going NEAR any of this stuff if tgreene's name is still attached to it. Who knows where the monies will end up?
And what's with the money he owes RC.commers for his move some months ago?
Sorry, mal, this is a bad investment.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 20, 2006 - 07:18pm PT
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Thanks for the report, Malcolm and Tim, and for all your work. Glad to hear that the draw is arranged. I look forward to a report, not only on the draw, but also both John's and Tim's situations and needs, and the fund.
So far there have been fundraisers at Mammoth and Salt Lake City for John, as well as this "raffle". From what has been reported, the total going to the Karafa-Bachar fund, after expenses, may not reach US$20,000. That's a respectable but not huge amount, in context of accidents and uninsured medical expenses.
I'm entirely comfortable with John using what he needs from the fund, and indeed am concerned that he won't take all that he reasonably should. Stubborn character. There may also be hidden expenses, and bills yet to come in. And expenses for Anastasia, who is getting physiotherapy. If there is anything left over, then I'm also comfortable with John, and the Karafa family, deciding on what would be the best and fairest use of the money. Sadly, the demands will probably far exceed the money available.
I remember that thread from the summer, Will Climb for Jeremy, about a fundraiser for a young climber from the midwest who was disabled in a car crash, and abandoned by his adoptive parents. There wasn't any news after the event, but the needs are there.
Given the effort that Tim put into organizing the fundraiser, for someone he may never have met, it is ironic that he now also has medical troubles. If it is decided that he should be the first beneficiary, after John, then that closes a loop.
More news on our friends, and the fund, welcome whenever it's available, or the principals are up to it.
Anders
Edit: I donated money (directly) to John, to help, and bought three raffle tickets, also to help. My cheque say "Bachar Karafa Fund" on it. The raffle website says it is to help John Bachar, with the balance to the Steve Karafa Fund, for other climbers in similar straits. It is good news that John's insurance may cover more than was expected, perhaps freeing up money for the Fund. I trust John and the Karafa family to fairly judge what is the best use of the money in the Fund, and am sure that in due course we'll hear more about it.
I don't know Tim Greene, apart from exchanging e-mail about this raffle, and one phone call. Others are better informed about his situation and needs than I, and able to decide what is the right thing to do.
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Raoul
climber
that nagging feeling in the back of your head
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Oct 20, 2006 - 07:29pm PT
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I wouldn't believe tgreene's "medical problems" for a minit. He's a con artist. Owes people on RC for a "moving emergency" he had several years ago, promised to repay, and not only hasn't made restitution but has ignored the generous people who helped him out.
John wants the help, he can ask directly. Doesn't need help, it needs to go to Karafa's fund, NOT tgreene. Guys have needs, they have testicles, they take care of things themselves, the do NOT go online begging or cozying up to people like Bachar to gain credibility.
Phuck that sh!t.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Oct 20, 2006 - 07:46pm PT
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Just curious, but were you one of these people?
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Gene
climber
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Oct 20, 2006 - 07:49pm PT
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Why has the TGreene thread gone missing?
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Oct 20, 2006 - 07:56pm PT
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I just noticed the same thing. Maybe rawdrool is on to something. I wasn't aware of the "moving" issues he spoke of at rc.noob. I sure hope this is not what he claims.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 20, 2006 - 11:25pm PT
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So what's really going on?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Oct 20, 2006 - 11:37pm PT
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Who is Tim? Is he a famous climber? I have never heard the name. I assumed John did not have any insurance?
JHF
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 20, 2006 - 11:39pm PT
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I heard from a reliable source (not giving name here) that John's insurance was covering him.
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NeverSurfaced
Trad climber
Someplace F*#ked!
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Oct 21, 2006 - 12:05am PT
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WOW!
Wasn't aware of the latest happenings until the TGreen thread popped back onto the front page yesterday. I was able to catch up from the point of "disclosure" on; now that the thread and various posts have been deleted I'm not sure what to think. Regardless of what's going on now, it's a real shame that the death and injuries of our climbing brothers and sister have evolved into this. I read a lot of things on this forum, and take 90% of it with a grain of salt. I must say though, this situation, what this has evolved into (regardless of the TGreen situation / accusations) is sad.
Very, very sad....
John, Anastasia, you have my heart-felt wishes for a fast recovery, both physically and spiritually. I don't know either one of you, but I'm truly sorry for this ugliness.
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ikellen
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Oct 21, 2006 - 01:01am PT
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Here's my take on it. I felt for John through this whole thing. As someone who knew him personally, I was super bummed with what happened to him. I personally donated cash money to the bins in the mammoth lakes area, and I know that money went straight to him.
I don't know the surroundings with the rc.com stuff and Tim having to move or whatever, but looking back on John's situation, it seems weird to me that Tim just jumped into the mix in a big way seemingly out of nowhere. At the time I simply appreciated his compassion and the fact that he was going above and beyond, but judging by some of the things I've heard about him (him risking being homeless, needing donations from people at rc.com), it seems funny that someone who seems to be struggling a bit himself can just out of the blue donate lots of hours of work, and undoubtedly some money to help Bachar out. I don't know if these rumors about Tim are true, but there is just something funny about this whole equation that doesn't add up.
I would really appreciate Tim coming forward, when he can, and giving his side of this possible story. I want to support the guy considering the work he's done, but I'm hesitant with some of the things I've read. I'm not going to write the guy off simply on rumors, but I would like to hear from him.
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Jello
Social climber
No Ut
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Oct 21, 2006 - 01:44am PT
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Raoul- As long as you're willing to slam Tim publicly, could you give a more detailed narrative of the things you're accusing Tim of? I don't have a dog in this hunt, other than that I'd like all the quail flushed out, and I hate to see anyone impugned without the facts.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 21, 2006 - 01:50am PT
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Indeed Raoul - some specifics would be nice.
And some accountability on your part would be even nicer,
'cause Internet Bitches™ are a dime a dozen these days...
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Aya
Uncategorizable climber
New York
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Oct 21, 2006 - 01:50am PT
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Personally, I donated the money for John. If he sees fit to give the money to Tim, then I'm okay with it.
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Anastasia
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Oct 21, 2006 - 02:29am PT
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I didn't pull my post... So... What did happen?
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Jello
Social climber
No Ut
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Oct 21, 2006 - 02:33am PT
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If Anastasia didn't pull her post, who did. I smell a different rat, here!
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Oct 21, 2006 - 02:39am PT
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Hmmm... Perplexing. However, it seems Raoul has also gone quiet. I spoke with Tim, through email, a few times in regards to a contribution I sent. He seemed pretty forthright and that he was doing what he could to remedy a shipping snafu. In the end, he seemed to get the packagae I sent and all was well.
There was another thread going here about some health issues he was having (TIA's, minor stroke, etc.) Seemed he might be in a bad way and could certainly explain any lapses in his Internet communication. Yes, it could certainly bode ill news, as well, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt for now and see what happens. I Believe Malcolm Daly worked with him pretty extensively and may be able to provide some insight. Mal?
It would also certainly be nice if the accuser stepped forward with more than a couple of short sentences before bailing on the whole thing. It would only be appropriate, in light of things and how much time, effort and emotion everyone has invested into this.
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labrat
Trad climber
Nevada
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Oct 21, 2006 - 02:48am PT
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Strange is right. If someone running the site is deleting posts you would think that they would tell the OP the reason. Anastasia, any chance your password was figured out by someone? Last time I visited this post, it looked to be taking a wrong turn. Any chance TGreene asked site to pull posts?
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