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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 11, 2014 - 05:00pm PT
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Nevatarded.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 11, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 11, 2014 - 05:11pm PT
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Nevadastan. Utard. Youda'ho.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 11, 2014 - 05:43pm PT
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If those stoopid militia zealots interfere and get tazed or shot then boo frickin hoo.
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Urizen
Ice climber
Berkeley, CA
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Apr 11, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
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Doesn't this belong on on the "Where's Ron" thread?
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 11, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
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More Alex Jones nuttery for the feeble minded.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 11, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
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I am sure Indianclimber, to her credit, is not up to speed, or more aptly
down to speed, with all the latest 'events' that have transpired here, let
alone all the impotent threads.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 11, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
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Reilly...Which important threads were you referring to...? rj
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John M
climber
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Apr 11, 2014 - 07:35pm PT
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Fees are imposed on national park lands. Entrance fees. Some fees were tried for using national forest land and yes, climbers were against it. You have to pay a fee to use the national forest land around Sedona. Its called the red rock pass. You can complain about it. I have. I have no problem with this guy fighting these fees But his arguments are poor and so are his methods.
Its not whether this guy is against it or not. Its how he has gone about it. Blockading law enforcement is not a very good idea.
Most people complain about fishing licenses, but we still pay it. My own thought on fishing licenses is that their needs to be a national license, with the majority of the money going to the state it was bought in. This would mean you wouldn't have to buy licenses in every state you want to fish in. But that is another subject.
If this guy had a case, I am willing to bet that the Nevada Cattlemen's association would have come out for him. But they haven't.
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 11, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
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Who is profiting from climbing on BLM land? Grazing fees are just part of the business if you want to use public land for profit. And climbers impacts are inconsequential compared to grazing. Your comparison is retarded.
Red herring for dinner eh?
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 11, 2014 - 07:53pm PT
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Nobody is this stupid right? I'm getting trolled? Hope so...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 11, 2014 - 07:56pm PT
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The NPS charges for bivy permits.
Denali levies fees as well.
Truth is, if there were no motorized travel in the national parks then there would be no problem.
The NPS's problems are of their own making.
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John M
climber
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Apr 11, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
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The NPS charges you to get into the park. Which means that you couldn't climb unless you pay that fee. So in essence they charge a fee to climb.
I didn't say anything about BLM land. I did not say anything about user fees on BLM land, though I believe you need a fishing license to fish on BLM land in California. If I am wrong, then I would love to be corrected. That would be a user fee.
There is a fee to use National forest land around Sedona. It is called the red rocks pass.
http://www.redrockcountry.org/passes-and-permits/index.shtml
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John M
climber
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Apr 11, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
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Anytime there's a P-Falcon Closure or any crag location gets shut down, the storm from this community begins.
No difference.
I have yet to see climbers calling in a militia, or blockading rangers from doing their jobs. Have you?
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John M
climber
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Apr 11, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
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I have no problem with people filing lawsuits.
And as of 4 days ago the Nevada Cattlemen's association had stayed on the sidelines. There is a lot of money in cattle. If they thought this guy had a case… they would have come out much sooner. Now that the government is confiscating this guys cows, they are speaking up. But only to talk about the methods..
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John M
climber
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Apr 11, 2014 - 08:13pm PT
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Yes.. they aren't saying that the fees are illegal or wrong..
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John M
climber
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Apr 11, 2014 - 08:15pm PT
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can anyone confirm for me that you need a fishing license on BLM land?
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 11, 2014 - 08:17pm PT
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Yes, but you don't need one to troll on supertopo.
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