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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Chicken Kiev
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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This thread is off to a good start.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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It seems as you're making contradictory statements, Tioga, but then maybe I misunderstand you.
The coup was made by pro-EU politicians. Why would EU in that case then consider acting against the coup of an elected leader, if your reasoning in the first post was to be believed?
Personally, I don't think we need neither Ukraine nor Turkey into EU.
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JimT
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Munich
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Lookie-look... EU needs SLAVES.
Where are they going to dump millions of migrants and refugees from all over former British Emipre? Europe has no jobs and no space...they need LAND. They're becoming Mulsim territory now too...Ukraine is big...good soil, black fertile soil. 50 million population of Ukraine = European slave labor force. Fools are being fed tales by CIA-paid provokators that "once you join EU we guarantee 2000 euro salary to everyone"...lol. They haven't seen minimum wage life of US slaves.
Where are they (EU) going to dump toxic refuge from "manufacturing infrastructure" sponsoring British pockets? Ukraine = future China, toxic landfill. They're doing it in Kazakhstan already, funding British pensions via polluting plants.
"Bama" didn't pull out the troops from Afghanistan yet, lol still quacking about Russian troops in Ukraine? Wipe the blood off your chin first, Euro Fashists.
"Galicia"...the ones who buried people alive (I had met witnesses personally), Nazi dogs-- back in the 1940, working for Nazi occupants--who burned down Khatyn and other Belarus villages and mass murdered all kinds of people in Western Urkaine...want Crimea now? Want to invite NATO troops to station and open bases in Sevastopol? Haha, try. Syria will seem like a nice resort to them if they try to grab Crimea.
Bammer, keep quacking....ya know what's gonna happen when documents showing how many Nazi West Ukrainian "executioners" had being given US citizenship and covered by the US? They're gonna love it when this gets published.
Ukraine has lawful, elected--via democratic process--government, which was overthrown via violent coup. Lawful president of Ukraine requested Russia to intervene and restore order. Russia will also protect Russian-speaking population of adjacent territories from lootings and genocide by Bandera--Neofashist armed bandit units. Bands of looters are all over Ukraine, stealing, stopping cars, terrorizing. Wait, Bama...is US gvmt going to support violent overthrow of US government too, since you like this stuff??? Never say "no".
On a more positive note, I heard that guns--masquerading as knives--had killed 27 and wounded 109 people in China today....Take the guns away. Turn population into slaves. Brainwash. Divide, control and rule=>profit.
Possibly your best rant ever!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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This is a result of EU socialists with the backing of US State Dept. socialists to bring yet another country into the globalist cabal.
Putin hates globalists and is a staunch Russian nationalist. He will not let this stand, and I don't blame him.
The 'freedom' rallies were hijacked by neo-Nazis who brought weapons to the game. That is when the sh#t hit the fan. They overthrew a democratically elected gov't with weapons. Yeah, that's a coup alright!
Ask yourself who will be in charge next. Ask yourself how Egypt, Libya, and Syria turned out when the amateurs in the Obama administration meddled? Did we overthrow moderate governments and help even worse players?
This Ukraine mess is more meddling by global socialists. This time, though, they may be f*#king with the wrong people.
God help us...
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WBraun
climber
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Paul Craig Roberts
"Reality on the ground in Ukraine contradicts the incompetent and immoral Obama regime’s portrait of Ukrainian democracy on the march."
Let us all cross our fingers that another war is not the consequence of the insouciant American public,
the craven cowardice of the presstitute media, Washington’s corrupt European puppets,
and the utter mendacity of the criminals who rule in Washington.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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I read his stuff, Werner. He is spot-on if you stop and actually look at what has happened, and is currently happening.
I actually got called a left-wing commie for siding with Putin against the EU on this.
Whatever....
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WBraun
climber
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I like the Putinator too .... :-)
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Sharper you may be correct, but I just think we might be that dumb. Our greed has often made us pretty stupid in the past.
Anycase, the CIA and State Dep. made a move they couldn't back up.. Putin is shoving it up their ass with little effort, and less we can do about it. It's kinda funny actually. Especially since I really don't give much of a crap what is going on there. It's their problem.
Talk softly and carry a big stick?
The corollary is
Shut the f*#k up if you can't carry water.
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WBraun
climber
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America's continued descent into the La La Land of pretending to be the defender of the free world
and the fountain of democracy is beginning to enter the 'Sarah Palin school of geopolitical fantasy' realm of delusion.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Russia is NOT going to give up their warm water port without a fight. No Way, No How...everything else is secondary to that goal for the Russians imho...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Socialist west against the capitalist east? Bluey are you on Crack?
I'm not, but "the West" is of late...that's the bizarre paradigm shift that has taken place.
The Eastern Block European countries have become the proud nationalists we used to be, and not in a bad way. We and the EU have become global socialists.
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vlani
Trad climber
mountain view, ca
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"You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text"
Quote of the month, mr. Kerry..
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dirtbag
climber
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What can Americans do about this?
Very little.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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When I read this morning that Obama had a 90 minute phone call with Putin I
initially assumed it was 89.5 minutes of Obama pontificating and a 30 second
exposition by Putin on the theme of "STUFF IT CHUMP". However, I suspect
that it was actually more nuanced and civil as Putin isn't stupid and Russians
are the greatest chess players. Besides, Putin knows that Obama is all show
and no go especially in threatening UN sanctions. Is he on crack? Like any
sanctions wouldn't be vetoed by Russia and China? And let's be real
and face the facts - the Crimean has been Russian for well over two hundred
years. Obama shows incredible hypocrisy to, in effect, tell Putin to
pull the Russian Fleet out of Sevastopol while we maintain a strategically
useless base in Cuba. Obama isn't stupid but he is either naive or pretentiously
high-minded to think the world expects him to step into this fray to play the fool.
Lollie, I agree that the EU only shows its unflinching penchant for all-enveloping
bureaucratic hegemony by lusting after Ukraine and Turkey. It will be a cold
day in hell before Turkey comes even close to honoring the EU standards for
human rights. Not that the good little bean counters in Strasbourg really
care about such niceties.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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did Putin cross the line?
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