Is the National Forest "FEE" project dead?

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Bad Climber

climber

Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 24, 2014 - 09:07pm PT

Kali Klimbers:

I seem to remember hearing about the demise some time ago of the "Fee demo" project for parking in National Forest lands in So. Cal. A few weeks ago we got a ticket for parking without a permit at Texas Canyon. We routinely ignore these tickets, but I thought the program was dead. Any info./updates? I'm too lazy to Google it right now...

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apinguat

Trad climber

kingfield, me

Feb 24, 2014 - 09:19pm PT

Here in near the White Mountain National Forest it was dead. Then it was started that up again.

Now... it's a 25 dollar ticket with a 50 dollar administration fee (or the other way around). I was so bent when I got one I just remember it being 75 bucks.

rincon

Trad climber

SoCal

Feb 24, 2014 - 10:36pm PT

Supposedly, now the only places that they want you to have an "Adventure Pass" for, is areas that have some sort of facilities, like bathrooms and picnic tables. Texas Canyon has nothing man made. Toss that fake ticket in the trash.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Feb 24, 2014 - 11:01pm PT

Required at Humber park if you park in the lot. You can hang your Annual NP pass from the rear view mirror, they have a special hang tag they will give you

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Feb 24, 2014 - 11:53pm PT

No...and yes. Catch the updated way the .gov wants to screw you here: http://www.westernslopenofee.org/ They've been working to eliminate this kind of regressive BS, very hard, and can use help via letters or a few bucks. They certainly deserve our thanks.

Spider Savage

Mountain climber

The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles

Feb 25, 2014 - 12:03am PT

Path of least resistance: Pay the $5.

B. Get an annual pass and write the pass number on the ticke and send it in.

C. Look at someone elses pass hanging in the window and write thier number on the ticket and send it in. Yes, this would be "bad."

D. If you get the $80 pass to get in and out of Josh & Yose & SeKi all year it would technically count.

America the Beautiful--National Parks and Federal Recreational Lands Annual Pass: $80
This is an annual admission pass covering admission and standard amenity fees. This replaces the National Parks Pass and Golden Eagle Pass.

Edit: Parked at TexCyn all afternoon Sunday and didn't get one.

Bad Climber

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2014 - 09:00am PT

Hey, Spider: We must have seen each other as I was there most of the day Sunday, too. I was the really tall skinny guy with the tan pants and blue t-shirt. Yeah, no ticket this time. We've been ticketed a couple of times in the past, and based on a friend's experience from Mt. Pinos, we just tossed them. My buddy had a thick stack of such tickets, and nothing ever came of it. Never paid a one. I will continue to ignore....

Thanks.

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apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 30, 2014 - 07:00pm PT

The USFS is slippery...they are gonna privatize our public lands right out from under us if you don't watch these guys, and ACT NOW...

FEDERAL JUDGE APPROVES PRIVATIZATION OF ALL FOREST SERVICE RECREATION

On March 28, 2014, Judge Rudolph Contreras of the DC District Court issued a ruling that will allow the Forest Service to wash their hands of providing recreation and turn it all over to private concessionaires.

http://www.westernslopenofee.org/

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Mar 31, 2014 - 01:20am PT

Apogee, did you turn Republican?

That is NOT what is happening. All that happened was that a judge ruled that the use of vendors is legal, not that all recreation lands must be administered by vendors.

Is the use of vendors news to you? Have you ever been to Yosemite?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 31, 2014 - 01:43am PT

Ken, I'm really surprised at you. I would've expected so much more from you.

johnboy

Trad climber

Can't get here from there

Mar 31, 2014 - 01:55am PT

I always thought a "National Park" and a "National Forest" were two different things?

Risk

Mountain climber

Olympia, WA

Mar 31, 2014 - 02:06am PT

Privatization of national forest recreation is a success of this movement. Right now, no national forest campgrounds are open on the Olympic Peninsula because all are run by private companies. They don't even open until Memorial Day weekend. They need to turn on the electricity to charge the campground host's (volunteer) golf cart to "patrol" the place. Apparently, unless they are full or nearly so, it is not profitable for these companies to have them open. Got to make money, you know.

The USFS has been a miserable failure to the people (or a total success, if you think the opposite). Why can't one go camping in late March in our national forests? Perhaps it's time to just sell them off and settle the national debt; they're "closed" anyway.

Larry

Trad climber

Bisbee

Mar 31, 2014 - 11:34am PT

The use of vendors is nothing new. The expansion of vendors to charge fees that didn't exist in the past is new.

"Under Judge Contreras's ruling:

The Forest Service can not charge a fee solely for parking.
But a concessionaire can!

The Forest Service can not charge a fee for passing through federal land without using facilities and services.
But a concessionaire can!

The Forest Service can not charge a fee for a scenic overlook.
But a concessionaire can!

The Forest Service can not charge a fee for general access.
But a concessionaire can!

The Forest Service can not charge a fee for camping at undeveloped sites with no amenities.
But a concessionaire can!

The Forest Service can not charge a fee for picnicking along a road or trailside.
But a concessionaire can!"

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Mar 31, 2014 - 11:44am PT

TMJesse, you know full well the Forest Circus has been of great benefit to
the people, well, the people at Weyerhauser and Simpson, right? Boy, once
those guys paid their nominal fees the ol' Forest Circus didn't dare tell
them when they could go logging, did they?

Risk

Mountain climber

Olympia, WA

Mar 31, 2014 - 01:13pm PT

What is so obviously a slap in the face to visitors to national forests versus commercial users is the cost for a wilderness permit to go backpacking overnight leaving no trace and the cost to graze cattle all summer in the same location.

hossjulia

Trad climber

Carson City, NV

Mar 31, 2014 - 01:37pm PT

OK, I still have a hard time with this.
How can you be a climber, recreating on public land, without knowing the difference between the USFS and the NPS?

I see this confusion constantly in otherwise seemingly well educated folks.

Google it, educate yourselves, you might just be shocked, like I was when I learned of the differences. 30 years ago. Before Google.

Batrock

Trad climber

Burbank

Mar 31, 2014 - 01:40pm PT

I use the tickets as tinder. That's all they are good for.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 31, 2014 - 02:55pm PT

The other sick reality of the USFS moving towards privatizing all land access & facility use to concessionaires is that they will undoubtedly mis-manage it at a terrific loss to the taxpayer citizens...while those fecking concessionaires make bank off of our legacy as citizens of this great country.

This sh#t gets me so pissed off I can't sit still.