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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 13, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
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Sounds like he wasn't there to shoot everybody, but rather a specific teacher.
So the perp is just another loser that didn't make the grade.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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or possibly a teacher-student love affair gone awry. lots a reasons to hate a teacher besides grades.
shooting is probably a bit too far though.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Dec 13, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
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Cowlowrado
Home of the school shootings. . .
Yup, we need more guns.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 13, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
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Yeah, he couldn't have used anything else as a weapon. So hawkin the ganj doesn't seem to mellow out some Coloradans.
I think that you guys might have started a tradition.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Dec 13, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
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Sounds like he wasn't there to shoot everybody, but rather a specific teacher.
So the perp is just another loser that didn't make the grade.
So it's OK to be trying to shoot just one teacher?
I'm not sure exactly what your point is, Ron.
Effective teaching becomes impossible if there is a constant fear of being shot just because you have to discipline/fail/punish any random student.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Dec 13, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
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I am sorry to hear that another class of students has been traumatized. I feel for the family of the educator, I feel for the family of the shooter. Ugly, ugly stuff.
It's been very interesting to see other folks adopting my paranoias in the lecture halls at my alma mater over the past couple of years. Big 75-150 seat lecture halls with 3-4 entrances have always kinda wigged me out: I choose seats in positions that appear least likely to catch the first salvo, and pick places that offer easy exit if needed. My idiosyncrasy is not mine own any more: my profs' eyes shoot to the door when it opens mid-lecture, the students around me are very aware of newcomers mid-lecture. It is sad.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Dec 13, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
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no, Ron, I do knott watch knightly knews.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Dec 13, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
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I dunno, when I left the midwest, the last newspaper I saw contained a headline about a man raping an infant to death in Detroit.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 13, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
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Yup, we need more guns.
What actually happens with depressing regularity is that these shootings all take place in what are already gun-free zones. Seems that whack-jobs and criminals don't think much of obeying existing laws.
Go figure.
Yup... more laws! That'll work!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 13, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
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Well Colorado has already taken the first step to disarm the citizens. Why not go all the way and ban every gun in the state as an experiment?
(yeah, like that could ever succeed)
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Dec 13, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
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Ron, you know that no one is stupid enough to try to 'disarm' the citizenry. With what army would they do it?! - you know that the armed forces of this country would not stand to enforce the repeal of the 2nd amendment.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 13, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
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I said just Colorado as an experiment (which would fail miserably thus helping to shut up the people that vilify the tool rather than it's misuse).
Besides, if the feds want our guns they'd use the Patriot Act and Homeland Security, and do one house at a time.
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Dec 13, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
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Pretty hard to guard up a school. Parents pick up the kid for the dental appoinment. Many people coming and going.
Teaching sometimes means that not everyone hears what they want to hear. High school students aren't all together yet (that's why soldiers are 18--people my age would never follow orders)and they have very little perspective. They think that a grade actually means something. It can seem like all or nothing to them and poor choices get made- sometimes murder, more often suicide.
Sad for everyone when this shti happens
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Dec 13, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
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There is no way that prohibition of firearms ownership would work in this country or the state of Colorado. No way.
Similarly, I doubt very much that classification and strict management of violence-prone individuals would work.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 13, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
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Yeah, Brave Cowpoke, people have trouble accepting that nobody gets out alive.
Thats why religion exists.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 13, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
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... sensitive as ever.
I'm too insensitive to make sense of how that is even relevant. Sigh
In the home of the brave, we recognize that shutting down every (or even most of the) whack job(s) requires a level of rights-infringement that is unacceptable in a free society.
In the home of the brave, we hear the NSA saying that it MUST utterly and totally invade our privacy in order to keep us safe, and we respond: We don't even want the level of safety you are after! We'll take our chances, because we won't trade off rights for security.
Governments down through history cast freedom as opposed to security. In the land of the brave, we reject that dichotomy as false. We recognize that the news-making, frothy commentary by talking heads that get paid to magnify everything is just that: frothy commentary. We recognize that among 1/3 of a billion people, there are going to be a tiny percentage of whack jobs, and they WILL make the news. So, in the home of the brave, we take the froth with a giant lump of salt, recognizing that tragedy, as tragic as it IS, is indeed small-scale when compared with national policy. So, we don't let the froth spewed by talking heads infect our national judgment. We keep things in proper perspective.
In the land of the free, some (small number) of people are going to die as a result of the (small number of) whack jobs. But because we are the home of the brave, we don't let the whack jobs (and the tragedies they produce) drive national policy. Because we are the home of the brave, we don't even expect "perfect security" or even really, really good security. We take our chances in the name of freedom, because we are the land of the free AND the home of the brave.
Present gun control laws are more than adequate, properly and consistently enforced; and they WILL NOT stop or even significantly reduce the incidence of whack jobs that are simply ignoring them.
The NSA has overreached (and lied and lied and lied about it) at a level beyond what has ever been comprehended in human history. And, clamoring for the chimera of "security," most Americans consider it a "necessary evil."
Wait... we are no longer the land of the free and the home of the brave. Ahh... now that I see that my presumptions are false, I realize the extent to which I can no longer connect with the underlying psychology of those I thought were "Americans."
Now I see the extent to which my ideals are anachronistic. Silly me.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
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Why do you feel you need a gun? (serious question from someone who doesn't like guns, but also doesn't feel he has the right to take them away).
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Dec 13, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
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^Bruce, this yargle-bargle is exactly what gun lovers seize to paint those in favor of regulation as uninformed. There is very tight regulation of access to full automatic weapons in the U.S.
I own weapons because I like the idea of being able to feed myself if need be. Also, bath salts zeds scare me. Cops scare me too.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 13, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
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Oh, wait. It was a shotgun that did it. Not a handgun. Not an "assault rifle."
And don't forget the KNIFING of four people on Thursday in the Bronco stadium parking lot.
Can somebody please explain exactly what currently proposed legislation by any party at any level of government would have kept this shotgun incident from happening?
See, there are already laws against shooting innocent (and unarmed) people. Somehow, amazingly, those present laws didn't act as a deterrent in this case.
Please explain what ADDED legislation would have kept this shotgun from going rogue. What ADDED legislation would have kept that knife from going rogue?
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