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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 21, 2013 - 08:45am PT
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Just like that the mean ol' thread is gone . . . Dean says the tree is at peace and Todd says we must all accept apologies . . . the rest of us are just vicious arm chair has beens. Whatever.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:49am PT
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What the hell? Why is it gone?
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:51am PT
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around here the important things
like courage and accountability are fleeting.
piss-fests, air-combat, and chests-beatings,
these are the ever-durable traits of
our e-tribe.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:01am PT
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Curious why the thread got yanked.
The link above has the OP missing.
Insert Shultz comment here...
and...
Colonel Klink.
guess I just aged myself
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Oct 21, 2013 - 09:57am PT
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The world is better for the deletion. Anyone remember who started that thread?
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Oct 21, 2013 - 10:11am PT
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kalimon in the great spirit
of robert hunter you should have
titled your thread,
sex and death.
or something thrice removed from the audience's perception,
but intimately representative of your's intent.
'....since the tree-hacking thread got canned,
i figure supertopo needed another sex thread..."
actually,
my wife carries a different phone at work everyday,
and i'm always struggling to remember her
dynamic extension, so i study while we're having sex.
i call out her extension,
"oh, 6027 that's so nice!"
"once in a while you get shown the light,
in the strangest of places if you look at it right."
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA/Joshua Tree
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Oct 21, 2013 - 10:20am PT
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WTF?? It was there an hour ago.
Who leaned on who? Cause this whole thing has been a giant case of trying to erase all evidence of their actions from the web. Especially any negative reactions.
Lame.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 21, 2013 - 10:38am PT
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Who leaned on who? Cause this whole thing has been a giant case of trying to erase all evidence of their actions from the web.
and at the same time having a long apology on his homepage?
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA/Joshua Tree
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Oct 21, 2013 - 10:45am PT
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Raymond that some here called out to be an arrogant, narcissistic mess of a statement and that those commenting negatively to it on his blog had their comments erased so everything came out as positive and glowing towards his "apology" on it?
What the hell...are his sponsors behind this? Did friends lean on C-mac to get this taken down?
You can't whitewash the web as hard as you try but goddamn they're trying their hardest to make this controversy go away.
It's censorship pure and simple.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 21, 2013 - 10:46am PT
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He apologized, has letters written to sponsors, faces fines and'/or jail time...
What does he have to do to be worthy of the ST 'community'?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 21, 2013 - 10:51am PT
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...thread wasn't erased, it is locked.
either: Pringle doesn't like having his name associated with situation,
or, The ST mods stepped in to stop the sad mob rule tar and feathering that is happening here.
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Trad Larry
Gym climber
Black Canyon, Colorado
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Oct 21, 2013 - 10:52am PT
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"Please keep in mind that that SuperTopo Climber's Forum is intended to
be a friendly information resource for climbers of varying levels of
skill, interests, and experience.
Posting to the forum is a privilege. Posts that are vulgar, hateful,
threatening, invading of other's privacy, sexually oriented, or violate
laws, may be deleted without notice and the author's registration may
be cancelled."
You people should get a life. The dude apologized, paid a fine to the Forest Service, is doing community service and planting trees, and has done his best to apologize and make things right short of magically repairing the tree. Certainly what he did wasn't right at all, and I'm not condoning it, but to continue excoriating a guy with such vehemence, all because you like the ugly, spiteful flavor of bringing someone down and watching them fall, is somewhat monstrous and grotesque, if not just pathetic. (But that's what this forum is, right? Despite the above message from Chris Mc.)
Climbers have been cutting down trees at various crags around the world for last 40 years, all before there was Instagram, and most of you are none the wiser. You think that that's just how crags have always looked, but it's often not the case. Admittedly, in this instance, the juniper was a mistake: but you all happily ski at Tahoe ski resorts that have clear-cutted junipers for your benefit and safety so you can slide down your groomers. You have ridden on mountain biking trails that have involved trail building and tree pruning. You have driven roads over passes to get to your crags that have cut through swaths of granite. This is hardly the worst thing that has happened in the last 100 years, let alone the last week. You're just bored and think you need to drink a tall glass of schadenfruede to make yourselves feel better about your own pathetic lives.
Ask if you're making anything better by posting your comments of spite and hate--are you achieving anything or are you just feeding your own fragile egos?
You complain about how poorly written his 1500 word post was while in the same breath you ironically spend hours and hours of your time reading 15,000,000 words of either hateful or smugly self-referential and self-absorbed drivel on this forum. You spend hours fellating yourselves over how great your california climbing culture once was while tearing down anything that doesn't mesh with this narrow view of what climbing should be. This is what this forum is to most climbers in the U.S. and most of us choose not to post here because this has become such a spiteful place. Not that I or anyone else expects you to care.
He made a stupid mistake. If you've never made a mistake it means you're either a liar or you've never done anything new or taken any risk in your boring life. He asked for forgiveness. Give it to him. Or don't. But move on and stop excoriating a guy who has, other than this single incident, done a lot for the climbing community and is a source of positivity and inspiration for many.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA/Joshua Tree
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Oct 21, 2013 - 10:52am PT
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Patrick, take his lumps and not have a 400 plus postthread about his incident deleted.
Man up and let it stand. Stop censoring anything critical of the guy's actions. Cause his buddy Trad Larry above post is a perfect example of the whitewashing of this.
Trad Larry - nice FIRST TIME post on ST. Obviously you're a plant.
"your own fragile egos?"
Like those who chopped the tree then tried to erase any negative feedback from the entire web cause they don't want the bad publicity?
You're either a friend of JK or one of his sponsors is having you go through forums posting crap like this. Criticizing someone's illegal actions doesn't violate any terms of service here.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 21, 2013 - 10:55am PT
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You have absolutely no idea if Kinder had anything to do with the thread being locked.
'Man up' LOL
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 21, 2013 - 11:04am PT
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The Taco Talibans' monthly stoning...When's the next sentencing..?
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Oct 21, 2013 - 11:08am PT
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 21, 2013 - 11:13am PT
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Yo folks, it's a public forum.......sticks and stones and all that. It the OP deleted it fine, that's his perogative.....anything else has a wisp of censorship.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Oct 21, 2013 - 11:33am PT
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The dude apologized, paid a fine to the Forest Service, is doing community service and planting trees, and has done his best to apologize and make things right short of magically repairing the tree. Certainly what he did wasn't right at all, and I'm not condoning it, but to continue excoriating a guy with such vehemence, all because you like the ugly, spiteful flavor of bringing someone down and watching them fall, is somewhat monstrous and grotesque, if not just pathetic. (But that's what this forum is, right? Despite the above message from Chris Mc.)
What was the fine? Where is he doing community service ? how long? what is it?
What is truly monstrous and grotesque is chopping down a juniper for a silly ass mini sport route.
As part of the climbing community I want to know it isn't covered up and white washed. The thread is probably very embarrassing for the perpetrators; they should be embarrassed and ashamed. IMO if the fine is less than $10,000 it isn't enough. The fine should be made public so other potential tree hackers know there is money involved . Money seems to motivate people.
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