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Pate
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 4, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
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i live in a tiny mountain community. we all know each other up here, and we know each others kids also. we drive the same dirt road, suffer through the same winters, walk the same trails, fish the same creeks and rivers, mtn bike the same loops, on and on.
in the spring we had a tragedy. it involved a gun, 3 bullets, blind white anger, mental instability and a child.
a couple were going through hard times, and were in the process of splitting up. they were still sharing a roof for the sake of their 4th grader. things were bad, there had been a couple of domestic situations that the cops were involved in, each time it was the wife who had gone ballistic. she was one of our local librarians, everyone knows her, even our children.
she found a picture of her husband and another woman on Facebook. it turns out they were work colleagues whose picture had been taken together on a business trip by a pro photographer working the event. she was enraged.
the next day on her way back from work she stopped in at the gun store. the most redneck and detested establishment in our fairly progressive community. it sits right in town among homes, businesses and schools. she purchased a revolver and a rifle and ammo. she walked out of the store with them in under 1/2 hour and drove home. that night at 2 am while her husband and son were sound asleep she decided to get even. she opened up her son's door and shot him 2 times in the chest while he slept, fatally wounding him. my friend the husband heard the shots and ran to his sons room. he carried him to the front door and cowered there trying to stem the bleeding while his wife screamed from upstairs "Kill Me!" over and over. the 911 call was printed. he was scared and trying to keep his son from dying, unsuccessfully. we are a long way from police help but have a fire station and er crew here that was only 2 miles away. there was another gun shot, she attempted to kill herself but missed her brain and survived. her son did not. she is fine with a superficial wound to her scalp.
we lost a talented skier who won the local ski-jor this winter in the carnival, dragged at top sped by a horse over jumps on snow covering cement. he hucked the 70 meter jump. he was a very talented freestyler in our sports club and regularly won bump comps. he was a skate rat who spent every free minute on the half pipe. he was a popular kid at my daughters school. he had a lot of buddies from the sports club and other activities. i knew him.
now he is dead and gone and that has left a small peaceful community reeling. the mother is charged with premeditated murder and our friend the father has a ruined life and has left our community. their house sits for sale at the bottom of the pass, haunted and devaluing our properties.
why do the extremist views of a minority of fools who have been fooled into thinking the government is trying to subvert them get to have their way? they say they have the right to own guns in an unlimited fashion. what about our right to a peaceful community and life? what about my friends right to have a son? why is this allowed to happen over and over? why does my backwards ass redneck state allow a furiously jealous insane scorned bitch who has had the police involved in her domestic affairs have the right to arm herself to the teeth and kill? she was in the f*#king police blotter for f*#ks sake.
a waiting period may have allowed her to cool down and think clearly. a full background check would have indicated current mental and emotional instability and she would have been prevented from purchasing a weapon that was designed to kill people. (i dont care what you f*#ktard as#@&%es say about handguns, saying they are not meant to kill people is like saying a hammer is not meant to pound nails).
this is not about mental instability. this is not about medication. this is not about failed marriages.
this is about the ease of which someone can get a gun and turn it on others.
i've got a great idea, why doesnt the next mass shooting happen in a gun shop. why doesnt someone go into a gun shop, purchase an automatic shotgun, pay for it, load it and blast the sh#t out of everyone in the store. maybe that would change some redneck minds.
f*#k lapierre, f*#k the nra, f*#k the gun lobbyists, f*#k the congressmen and senators who are in the back pockets of the gun industry, and f*#k anyone who thinks that there is some sort of government take over planned in which they will have to defend themselves.
guess what? if that happens your semi automatic 9mm isnt going to do much against a drone.
any thoughts?
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Pate
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
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he may be scared that he is going to get shot
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Brandon-
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The Granite State.
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From the details in your post, it sounds as if you're living in the 'Boat (or Clark). I lived there in the '90's and still have good friends there.
Really sad to hear and I agree, a waiting period is a good thing.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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this is not about mental instability. this is not about medication. this is not about failed marriages.
A mother murders her own son, and husband.
And it's all about pubic policy and the local gun shop.
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Pate
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
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it would have been just another failing marriage fight without a handgun.
say your wife gets raped by a guy with aids- would you make the issue about contraception?
youre the perfect as#@&%e for this discussion, bring it on dummy.
i LOVE how you ignorant gun toters grasp at straws. its hilarious. lets hope you either havent bred yet or youre too ugly and stupid to do so.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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any thoughts?
Sure, I got a bunch. As does everyone, I'm sure. And, they are all different.
How do we balance these conflicting perceptions of individuals rights versus the demands of society in a meaningful way to both sustain the individual and our current civilization?
I say we can't.
Too much bad culture.
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Pate
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
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WAITING PERIOD
BACKGROUND CHECKS
PERMITS/LICENSES/REQUIRED SAFETY CLASSES AND RE-LICENSING
at least treat guns like cars
i see the current situation like this: what if most of a population walked or rode bikes, and a few wanted to drive and were allowed to buy cars and drive without ever being tested or permitted.
how many people would have to die before regulations were implaced?
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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It does seem rather odd to me that we need to take classes, have a license and have insurance to drive a car and yet have nothing of that sort to own a gun.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Driving is considered a Privilege, this is why you need a license. Guns are considered a Right, and this is the Problem. A waiting period and background check could save so many innocent people.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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I thought waiting periods for purchase of a handgun was a Federal statute.
If it isn't it should be.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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^^^ OH PLEASE ^^^^
You have GOT TO BE KIDDING.
Wrong place & time to say that.
meant for tami
Canada had less than 600 homicides in 2011.
U. S. had 30,000+ gun death 2011.
Don't make me sick.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Colorado has no waiting period. They should reconsider this. But according to the Denver Post, as of Jan 2013 there was a steadily growing cue of background checks (then over 10,00) which was creating a waiting period (for the background check to clear through CBI) of about 9 days and growing.
It kind of sounds like the local gun dealer there skipped the background check. If that is the case he should be tried as an accomplice to murder.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Canada has strict rules on guns and sh1t goes down with them. If someone desparately wants to get hold of a gun, they will get hold of the weapon they seek and commit the crime they wish to use it for.
1) not nearly as much of this sh1t goes down in Canada
2) just because someone who desperately wants to get a hold of a gun will get a gun, does NOT mean they should be easily available on a whim
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"any thoughts?"
"f*#k lapierre, f*#k the nra, f*#k the gun lobbyists, f*#k the congressmen and senators who are in the back pockets of the gun industry..."
That covers a lot of my immediate thoughts, right there.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Is that not like saying ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD!? "
That's a remarkably stooopid analogy, Ron.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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No, your bad for suggesting someone who can get a gun when they desperately want one is the same as someone who can get a gun on a whim.
Rong, your bullshit isn't even worth commenting on, but...
1) that weren't gangland.
2) knives do NOT have the "exact same results." If you really believe that, you would feel perfectly safe defending your "castle" with a knife collection.
3) "Are we to now impose regulation upon the other 2 billion gun owners" YES
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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And to follow your "logic" since one person will kill in a dui, then ALL BOOZE should be instantly declared illegal right.? Thats what MANY think..
You wouldn't know "logic" if it were rammed up your a55 sideways.
Nobody is saying "ALL GUNS should be instantly declared illegal."
Wes what do you know about death at the barrel of a gun?
I know my uncle, my friend when I was 6, and some friends/relatives of friends would not have spread their brains across the wall with a fuking knife. I know hunters don't kill deer with knifes because guns make it much, much, much easier.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Does anyone really want to argue the fact that batsh*t crazy people and people in a blind rage should be able to buy guns whenever they want?
Really? And we should do nothing to try and stop them because law abiding citizens won't wait out background checks and a cooling down period because it is somehow infringing on their 1700's rights?
If you believe that you are a NRA/Arms Industry lackey or really paranoid.
And pulling gangs and Muslims into that discussion is ludicrous and a little disturbing.
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