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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Christian Griffith, now there's a flash from the past. These people think they own Eldo and want to restrict access to it, just like people with beachfront property want to keep other people off their beach. They should have more parking downtown and pave the road while they're at it.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Seems sort of a strange place for a hostel--Eldo is very good local climbing, but it doesn't seem to be a destination area. Maybe it used to be, but ham fisted bolting regs seem to have taken care of that.
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Lloyd Campbell
Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
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Yeah, how about "Dingle Berry" and his whole 1 post.
No agenda there, eh?
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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The road is bad and needs to be delt with but then again WTF is our $7 parking permit going to? Is there public transportation to and from Eldo Canyon? In general I like the idea of a hostel at the old post office.
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willem
climber
Land of the mas#@&%e
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1. Is this Christian's grassroots effort to become mayor of Eldo after the failed run in Boulder proper?
2..and despite it not being a "bouldering area or gym" Eldo may not be totally irrelevant. Just watch the message boards around summer time for folks "looking for a place to camp around Boulder."
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Griffith claims that there isn’t as much demand for a hostel as there used to be, since the number of climbers in the canyon has waned with the rise in popularity of bouldering and indoor climbing gyms.
“The demand is probably a fifth of what it was in the ’70s and ’80s,” he says.
Is he saying demand for a hostel is down from the '70s and '80s, or that climbing in the Canyon in general is down?
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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This is kinda cool, we use to bandit camp down there in the lower parking lot in the 90's and a good friend had a teepee set up at the Wind Tower back in the '80's. All the rangers were climbers and would turn a blind eye as long as you were gone by morning and didn't leave a mess.
Most of the ES residents now are pompous yuppies dwelling in their 500K cabins who don't want anyone despoiling their experience of roughin it.
Good effort on CG and friends to bring the cheap low key camping back to the canyon.
I wish them luck. email sent.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Gah misread that part, sorry its cocktail hour down here, vision was blurry, fukin praDA yuppies!
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Rockin' Gal
Trad climber
Boulder
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I support the climber hostel in Eldo and will write a letter or two. Besides, the climbers camping in my backyard would like to be closer to the park.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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To paraphrase Hillary, or somebody, all politics these days are NIMBY-ized.
That said I aver that it won't get built once they start getting the reams
of building and zoning regs thrown at them and realize it will take millions
to satisfy. And if they do get it built it is guaranteed to lose money.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Eldo has, arguably, the best collection of crags in America. It also has camping options....did I say options....sorry, there aren't any.
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Lloyd Campbell
Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
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It does raise a point...there are two sides to every coin...
If you are in favor of the proposed AAC Hostel in the post office building, write a letter to Phil Powers at ppowers@americanalpineclub.org and cc: the president of the Board of Directors at markkroese@gmail.com
This is America right? Loudest mouth (or most money) wins!!!
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Crackslayer
Trad climber
Eldo
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I live in eldo and most all of us that live here are not down for the hostil. The main reason parking. There is no way we can have 20 some odd dirtbag cars in town. Everyone unwad their panties.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Yes, pull up the drawbridge.....a universal human reaction.
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Janet Robinson
climber
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AAC members and donors might want to look at how their contributions are being used here. $475,000 to purchase run down dilapidated building.
There are many obstacles, no guarantee of a sewer, severely inadequate parking, a challenging land use department, demise of the local kids bus stop, and 80% of neighbors who will fight to stop the hostel.
The building is 4,248 sq ft , the AAC wants to accommodate 20 guests plus management.
Even with approval, Phil Powers agreed it would cost another $475,000 to bring the building up to code.
So close to a million dollars of donor money at least.
Is there another agenda here, what is the AAC up to ?
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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As is often said in the field of planning, a modest hostel located at the mouth of one of American rockclimbings' mother churches is a good thing and perhaps a "highest and best use".
We have the very august and historic organization of the AAC doing it and with a good long track record, too, at such endeavors and six current efforts as demonstration domestically, more abroad. A wonderful and transparent, non-profit org has come to help.
Organizations like this have been planned for the mouth of Eldo for at least four decades. I remember when the Lowes had a school planned there. It is a state park, it should have a bunch of accommodations and land holders nearby really need to share this terrific public resource.
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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“It would change the whole character of Eldorado Springs,” says Helene Jennings. “What will they do at night? We are a residential community.”
We got to find more smart comments for this question.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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The NIMBY attitude is exactly what led to the creation of the California Coastal Commission. The Commission is widely criticized, but it is beyond dispute that they have made a huge impact in access and the overall quality of our coastal resources. One example is the limiting of timeshares and requiring hotel rooms.
Look to Florida to see a state where free enterprise decided how development would occur, their coastline is awful, you can drive along their version of the Coast Highway and hardly see the ocean for the wall of condos. It is too bad that there is not an equivalent state wide agency in Colorado that could protect public access to the valuable outdoor resources. Although I suppose that in general there is not that many disputes regarding access in Colorado, while the California coast has intense pressure on it throughout the southern and central coast.
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