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couchmaster
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pdx
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 16, 2013 - 11:59am PT
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Situation reminds me of the Balkans in July 1914. I can't help but feeling like the clock with a countdown to something horrific, is ticking down. The timeclock in this instance being our lifetimes.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 16, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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f*#k those guy's.
just by them shouting out in threats is considered crimes against humanity.
take out that 28 year old fat boy!
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Mar 16, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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I posted this before somewhere, but you would learn a lot about N Korea you don't know by watching it. Funny, weird, terrifying with a grand finale.
Travel guide to north koreer
Part 2
Part 3
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 16, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
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Here's the little Nork gem that caught his attention between the front and back nine. The KN-08. It's a dandy little truck rollaroundable missile that has people in the know asking the question "If they stop blowing them up and figure out their sh#t (and they will figure out their sh#t, see NASA Project Vanguard) just how far can that little sumbitch carry a nuclear warhead?"
Remember how much fun it was back in the day to find SCUDS on trucks in Iraq and blow them up on the ground before they launched? Yeah. Good times man, good times.
http://ace.mu.nu/
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 16, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
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If China does decide to go all Genghis Khan expansionist they'll start in the S China Sea.
The Philippines are a much softer target.
But don't for a minute think that NK acts without China's at least passive permission.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 16, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
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Americans are stupid fuking morons.
They should focus on fixing this country.
Newt Gingrich even said his own Party is run by morons.
Why you Americans not do anything????
Why you Americans so fuking stupid?????
All you care about is some stupid climb and yer stupid iPod, facebook and all yer other stupid sh!t and let yer Govt, be run by the same morons you are.
Stupidest fuking morons on the planet who only waste all their time talking and doing nothing.
You don't deserve America ......
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Mar 16, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
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Men in suits will be knocking on Werner's door soon.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Mar 16, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
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Werner, when was the last time you left the country?
Americans don't own the patent on stupidity.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 16, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
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You guys prove my point.
Blah blah blah ....
and do nothing except run yer mouths ......
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Mar 16, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
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What do we actually know? The current leader was carefully chosen with older siblings being passed by as unacceptable. This means that the regime is concerned with it's political survival and continuance in power. Which of course means they are not suicidal. I doubt anyone runs a country by being truly insane. Generals or leaders.
Could they become suicidal if they were to have their system unravel? Perhaps. Suicidal actions would be unlikely even then if history shows us much.
This rules out full scale invasion of the south or the use of their primitive Nukes. Although an open air ocean test might be something they would do.
One would expect them to continue to find creative and outrageous new ways to give the world the finger like they have for decades.
This behavior seems to work well for their internal politics.
Call it Tantrum diplomacy. It has allowed them to gain carrots from the world for toning down from bizarre behavior to merely poor behavior. Although this may no longer be working so well. It also lets them show each other internally how ballsy and loyal they are. It give them the ability to have an outside boogeyman to unite their peasants with. Peasant they deliberately underfeed in order to keep them weak and docile.
Basically N Korea is very predictable. Being outrageous and slightly dangerous is what they do, their MO if you will. You can almost set your clock by it.
It's getting boring.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 16, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
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hey Warner have u seen Waugh around? he's MIA at stoney. i'm sure he's cycling or something.
p.s. ur comments are the best.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 16, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
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Huge offshore oil and NG deposits.
China is building a navy as fast as they can.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 16, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
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A 28 year old who is nucking futs has nukes and Werner is just giving him a reason!
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 16, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
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It is true. China is blessed with many natural resources, but they have pitiful oil reserves and not much hope to find any.
Chinese geologists are pretty sharp, though. They regularly publish.
As for N Korea, Seoul is so close to the border line that N Korea already has thousands of artillery tubes aimed at each block in the city. All they have to do is say "Fire." and Seoul will be destroyed. They don't need nukes to do this.
If they do do this, even the Chinese won't back them. N Korea will be a smoking hole in the ground.
If you have any doubt that the N Korean man in the street is as batshit crazy as the leader, check out a Netflix documentary about a Doctor who was allowed in to do several hundred quick cateract surgeries. When they pulled off the bandages they were all in tears that they could now see a picture of the "Dear Leader."
Those people are totally brainwashed. If you are found with a radio you die. The N Koreans make Iran look like a boy scout troop.
For that matter, Iran would probably be a great country if they weren't overseen by the clerics. They have a pretty modern society and know what is going on in the rest of the world.
Sooner or later, the N Koreans will do something really horrible. At least with Iran, you can bet on a strategic standoff with their enemies, much like the cold war was. The relationships are already like that, anyway.
The N Koreans are totally insane, though. No doubt about that.
Go look up the documentary on Netflix. It will blow your mind.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 16, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
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War seems to come out of nowhere, like rust that suddenly pops up on iron after a storm.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 16, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
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Don't worry coz it's just all a front.
It's just pure entertainment ...... lol
:-)
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 16, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
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North Korea, huh? Is that where a bunch of my classmates are about to get sent to die?
Good to know.
I'll be out climbing... you all figure that sh#t out.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
takin' the scenic route to Montana
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Mar 16, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
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Cuz the only economic resource the Philippines has is a cheap labor pool, and China really needs more of that.
as do the US corporations
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 16, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
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The new Sexiest Man on earth doesn't worry me as much as his dad did cause with each generation, like us, they're becoming increasingly co-opted by soft living and materialism. Hedonists are not willing to risk their necks for some dated dogma.
Besides, all this posturing is simply a way to pry concessions from us. The one thing is that if we back them too far into the corner the crazy bastards might feel like they've nothing to lose. Rather a lot like our crazy loser school shooters.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 16, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
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Wars paradoxes.
http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson121412.html
Every thread like this contains at leas one post lamenting that Americans don't understand and are isolated from the rest of the world.
No one seems to consider that it may work the other way round in spades.
History is replete with examples of leaders (particularly third generation tyrants) that take completely irrational actions.
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