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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Jan 29, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
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That is gnarly.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 29, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
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Band members who perform Narcocorrido (songs and stories about drugs and or cartels)are typically targeted for playing a song in support of X cartel, and Y cartel catches wind of it.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Jan 29, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
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didn't Crimpergirl tell about a negative experience there a few years ago?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jan 29, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
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Survival makes sense to me. If you play in the narco culture, you risk getting caught up in the violence.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 29, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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never heard any of these folks on the WHAT SONG Are You Listening ... thread.
we must be out of touch
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jan 29, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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And we flood Mexico with guns, legal and illegal.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 29, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
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^coolo
In Chula Vista we're all used to hearing about lots of deaths and weird goings on. For example:
TIJUANA — Authorities searching a vacant property in eastern Tijuana may have found the remains of dozens of drug-war victims gone missing after their corpses were dissolved in lye by a man known as El Pozolero — the stew maker.
“We believe that there could be more than 100 bodies dissolved there,” said Abel Galván Gallardo, head of Baja California’s organized-crime unit
No info on the muscial preferences of the deceased, gut pretty sure they're not the Grateful Dead.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 29, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
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Survival writes:
"Band members who perform Narcocorrido (songs and stories about drugs and or cartels)are typically targeted for playing a song in support of X cartel, and Y cartel catches wind of it."
I heard these guys weren't that kind of band.
They don't have to be, though, to end up like they did.
The cartel goon squads aren't above kidnapping any available target, whether narco involved or not, and forcing them to confess on video to some horseshit story their captors made up for them, then snuffing them.
The whole idea is to make an example out of someone. Actual guilt is beside the point.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 29, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
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This is grim.
I rented a place through Magic Ed, and out back there was a bar/hall where there were parties going on, loud music trough the night. I wanted to go check it out, but thought better of it.
The band played love songs, not drug songs, or so the story says. Frickin' brutal.
EDIT
theres probably no less that 50 countries providing arms in Mexico...Al-kay-duh monies exist from Argentina to Tijuana now as well. They to recognize the weakness of our southern borders..
Ron, where do you get your intel?? Al-kay-duh has money to arm Mexican drug cartels? Boy, you have your hand on the pulse!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 29, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
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I didn't say they were Narcocorrido, just that it was a possible explanation.
The band played love songs, not drug songs, or so the story says. Frickin' brutal.
They wrote a love song about the wrong girl?
Well, at any rate, it sucks for a whole band to be slaughtered if it was over the music or not....
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jan 29, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
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A massacre of 18 people is a big deal, even in a war zone like Iraq or Afghanistan. In Colombia it would be the biggest massacre in many years. Seems obvious it's drug related, one clue was this:
The band regularly played at bars in downtown Monterrey on the weekend. At least two of the bars where they had played had been attacked by gunmen.
Restaurants and bars are often associated with organized crime, and if they played at bars that had this kind of violence they may have been associated with one of the groups, at least in the mind of the other one. If there are rival drug cartels fighting over Monterrey, this is probably a message from one of them to the other to get out of town.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Jan 29, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
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very very phuqed up. best limestone area near Austin.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 29, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
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kind of early to speculate, but (diffent incidents):
The band's singer, Julio Cesar Leyva Beltran, was abducted from a party in the state Choix, a city in the Mexican state of Sinaloa. He was taken away in an SUV after the band refused to play another song after the guests requested one. While in captivity, the kidnappers who remain unidentified, tortured Leyva and shot him in the leg.
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Another case was reported in November of last year when narcocorrido singer-songwriter Diergo Rivas was murdered in the state of Sinaloa. One of Rivas' famous songs was an ode to Joaquin Shorty Guzman, one of Mexico's most wanted drug lord.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/mexican-singer-kidnapped-tortured-refusing-to-play-song_n_1412245.html
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 29, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
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Maybe the band was playing at a Narco party, and they didn't know who their host was. The trumpet player made a pass at the wrong girl, and the narcos figured they'd have "fun" with the band.
The band member who escaped is probably shitting bricks right now...
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 29, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
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I'm wary of even going to canon tajo, much less anywhere on the mainland.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 29, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
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Survival writes:
"I didn't say they were Narcocorrido, just that it was a possible explanation."
This is true. And you would be playing the percentages, because that kind of crap happens pretty damned often down there.
I was trying to imagine the mindset that would make someone want to do that, and I could only shake my head. Then I recalled dudes like Biggie Smalls and Tupac getting theirs, and it almost makes sense.
Or maybe the neighbors simply got tired of living next door to a noisy garage band, and that's just how those things are handled when you can't afford to bribe the police to come quiet them down.
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