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zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Sep 26, 2012 - 04:51pm PT

Has Paul Ryan been around? You'd think he could afford his own rope.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Sep 26, 2012 - 05:09pm PT

Jeremy lad, Jeremy...what's wrong with that?

When does a fixed rope become booty?

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Sep 26, 2012 - 05:13pm PT

^^^
Actually, it WAS on a project. The dude who's rope was ganked is a local with a giant, proud ticklist there. How hard is it to not f*#k with other people's stuff? You go to a place where you are almost guaranteed to see other climbers on the walls around you, but take offense to seeing a rope? Seems passive aggressive and ridiculous to me.

FrankZappa

Trad climber

80' from the Hankster

Sep 26, 2012 - 05:20pm PT

Fixed-rope-debate/dude's-maco-ticklist/Boulder-sucks-big-hairy-balls aside....

a climber went up there, got to the top of the pitch and took something that belonged to someone else. That is stealing.

It was at the top of a 5.11 pitch. Probly not a noob.

My friend has no problem; just wants his rope back.

JLP

Social climber

The internet

Sep 26, 2012 - 05:28pm PT

Actually, it WAS on a project.

He was "projecting" an established line, with his rope sitting over a top 10 moderate people line up for, 200 yds from the parking lot.

I'm surprised it lasted more than an afternoon there before being taken.

EDIT - new detail - so this rope was "at the top of a 5.11 pitch" - ie, on the Genesis p1 (5.11a, PG) anchors for over a week? This is possibly the most climbed pitch of 11- in all of Eldo, if not the Front Range? What a dumb-ass!

FrankZappa

Trad climber

80' from the Hankster

Sep 26, 2012 - 05:41pm PT

I actually don't know exactly where the rope was; point is someone had to actually climb to get to it. And by the threads on MP, it appears that this someone did so knowing who's rope it was.

So JLP, could you explain what exactly justifies thieft?

Maybe you should give the guy a call and talk to him about his ethics or how wise or unwise he was. I don't really care. I think it's wrong to steal and I would like to see him get his rope back.

Spanky

Social climber

boulder co

Sep 26, 2012 - 05:49pm PT

Leaving a rope on the first pitch of genesis is like leaving a rope on outer limits or something else at the cookie. Its a super busy area and that pitch gets done all the time. I wouldn't have taken it but if it was up there for a week the rangers might well have removed it. Its clearly in sight of the road and they don't like that kind of thing.

FrankZappa

Trad climber

80' from the Hankster

Sep 26, 2012 - 05:50pm PT

So Chief, I will ask you as well:

"What justifies thieft?!

edit: same question to spanky

Really folks, why is it OK to steal something?

JLP

Social climber

The internet

Sep 26, 2012 - 05:52pm PT

"What justifies thieft?!

How about getting on the internet and basically telling the people complaining about it to fuk off?

We know nothing of the actual circumstances and motivation for the removal, but I'm 100% certain this did not help.

Spanky

Social climber

boulder co

Sep 26, 2012 - 06:03pm PT

I didn't really suggest that it was stolen. You can't justify the theft. I said that it was likely that rangers had removed it. Eldo's a touchy place though and there are definitely some locals who see it as their local area to look after so who knows.

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Sep 26, 2012 - 06:12pm PT

Frank Zappa is still alive and climbing? Wow! It's not right to steal others sh#t, even if you feel that they are inconveniencing you with leaving their draws on the bolts or the rope on a route. If you know who it is and it disturbs you, say something.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Sep 26, 2012 - 06:21pm PT

Remember when Steph Davis cluttered up the Salathe Headwall with ropes so that she could proj (that term gives me shivers) it.?

nature

climber

Boulder, CO

Sep 26, 2012 - 06:26pm PT

Genesis p1 (5.11a, PG) anchors for over a week? This is possibly the most climbed pitch of 11- in all of Eldo,

Thanks for the beta! sounds like my speeeeeed!

Prod

Trad climber

Sep 26, 2012 - 06:27pm PT

Eldo isn't about fixed lines hanging around for weeks. What does he think he is a Yosemite Elite?

Hey Locker, Were my shoes there by chance?

Prod.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Sep 26, 2012 - 06:28pm PT

Jump on it Nature, it's sweet....great pro and short crux.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Sep 26, 2012 - 06:31pm PT

Yosemite effete did you say?

Prod

Trad climber

Sep 26, 2012 - 06:32pm PT

Yosemite effete did you say?

^^^ Yes in a round about way. Nice word usage Jim.

Prod.

FrankZappa

Trad climber

80' from the Hankster

Sep 26, 2012 - 06:33pm PT

Wow, so JLP thinks it's ok to steal.

Chief seems to think it's ok as well.

He took the hint from some internet people, went up there the next morning to remove it, and it had been stolen. So it sounds like if you mouth off to anonymous interneters you deserve to have your rope ripped off.

JLP

Social climber

The internet

Sep 26, 2012 - 06:49pm PT

After 24 hrs, it's considered abandon.

The "thief" could not be charged.

You could argue "climber code", but your boy completely f'd that up too.

ABANDONED PROPERTY
F It shall be unlawful to leave any personal property unattended
on land or water under the control of the Division of Parks and
Outdoor Recreation for more than twenty-four (24) hours.
1. If such property is left unattended for more than twenty-four
(24) hours, it will be considered abandoned.
2. Removal and storage will be at the expense of the owner.
3. All abandoned personal property, other than motor vehicles,
which is not claimed within six months shall be sold for
cash to the highest bidder at a public auction [....]

http://www.parks.state.co.us/SiteCollectionImages/parks/Programs/BoatingProgram/2012_LandWater_Regs.pdf