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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 28, 2012 - 10:37am PT
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Hell Yes!!!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jun 28, 2012 - 10:38am PT
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Yea!!!!!!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jun 28, 2012 - 10:42am PT
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At last, we join the rest of the modern industrialized world !
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Jun 28, 2012 - 10:53am PT
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as a country still battling thru puberty,
i believe that we just graduated beyond the acne stage.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Jun 28, 2012 - 10:58am PT
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Anyone who's read the Commerce Clause and other, older Supreme Court cases that interpret it shouldn't be surprised.
And yet I am.
And pleased too. Yes, we've joined the ranks of civilized countries.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jun 28, 2012 - 10:58am PT
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Whoopie - now MIT economist predicts a 30% increase in healthcare costs for healthy individual buyers. Perhaps the worst bill to ever come out of Washington. And the left thinks this is a victory?
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:00am PT
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I don't know if the "left" thinks this is a victory.
I'm sure as hell not of the left.
But I've always felt that we as a country should stand together and work together on a few basic things.
And medical care is one of those basic things.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:01am PT
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Nope Mike, check the facts. The President says we will all save money.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:06am PT
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"Nope Mike, check the facts. The President says we will all save money."
Selfish and bitter.
Is that an average American? Is that what we've come to as a country only 70 years past the sacrifices of the "Greatest Generation."
I like my money too, but I recognize that we as a people should make sure that people have a few basics.
EDIT: my comment about Couchmaster's post is made assuming that he was being sarcastic. It's hard to be sure on the internet. If my assumption is wrong, accept my apologies.
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:10am PT
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Yeah, it's only a victory if you don't have a job or don't pay taxes.
For the rest of us, it's an unaffordable tax increase.
Now we've joined the ranks with other Industrialized European nations with indefinitely depressed economies. We can all have top notch dental care, like England too.
More government control, less freedom and financial responsibility...YaY!!!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:10am PT
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And pleased too. Yes, we've joined the ranks of civilized countries.
Not yet. Obamacare was still a huge gift to insurance companies with the individual mandate. Civilized countries don't do this with private industry insurance taking a huge chunk of the money
Peace
karl
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:10am PT
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"I don't know if the "left" thinks this is a victory."
Only a modest victory....if that.
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nature
climber
SoSlo, CO
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:18am PT
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Anyone who frames this issue as "the working vs. the lazy" needs to turn off the Fox News and actually understand what the law says.
I actually don't have FauxNews on, however, I do recognize I need to spend a little more time understanding what the law says.
today I need to make a decision on next years health policy at my work. not real happy about my options.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:21am PT
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Anyone who frames this issue as "the working vs. the lazy" needs to turn off the Fox News and actually understand what the law says.
second, third and fourth that !
Susan
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:22am PT
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Can I have new glasses now?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:33am PT
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The SCOTUS got the back of the States (sort of) regarding Medicaid, fattrad.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:35am PT
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No more dirt bag climbers running around living off the land.
You are going to have to get a job and pay for that insurance.
Alex Honnold's life in the van is over.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:35am PT
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The sky is falling - the sky is falling.
I don't think so.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:37am PT
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"Anyone who frames this issue as "the working vs. the lazy" needs to turn off the Fox News and actually understand what the law says."
Nicely said, Dave.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Jun 28, 2012 - 11:51am PT
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^^ the sky is falling^^
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