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mouse from merced

Trad climber

merced, california

May 10, 2012 - 02:44am PT

Every pol lives in some guy's pocket. Some live in very deep pockets. They can afford to come out of the pocket to "come out" on gay marriage. I am not naming names, either. Let's be gentlemen.

Obama and Mitt were climbing on the Royal Arches, discussing gay marriage in a benign, general sort of way...It could happen, but it is not going to be a big issue in the election. My opinion.

The fact remains, someone is jingling Obama along with his car keys.

A5scott

Trad climber

Chicago

May 10, 2012 - 02:45am PT

Obama did kind of say he supports same sex marriage, but he did so in a non-committal way by saying it's a state's rights issue, especially when he doesn't really seem to be big on states rights. This probably won't help him. He threw the election before this. He almost lost west virginia primary on tuesday to a federal inmate. The federal inmate got more than 40% of the votes and received a delegate.

scott

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

May 10, 2012 - 02:49am PT

Gay marriage is inevitable. All the polls support that fact. Republicans will remain resolute in opposing change.

Do you really think there are very many people who would change the way they vote based on this issue alone?

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

May 10, 2012 - 03:00am PT

Do you really think there are very many people who would change the way they vote based on this issue alone?

Lots of republicans might have stayed home if they thought Romney was no good. They wouldn't have voted for Obama, but they might have stayed home and not voted. When you give them something polarizing like this, that fires them up. This kind of issue can cause them to get over their fear of having a Mormon president, and let me tell you, there is still a fairly high percentage of people who fear the Mormon religion as some kind of cult. It is less today then it was say 30 years ago, but it still exists. And most of those with that kind of fear vote republican as they are part of the Christian right.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

May 10, 2012 - 03:02am PT

For southern baptists it's a stay home affair - most won't vote for a black or a mormon. So to some extent the south is neutralized.

bergbryce

Mountain climber

South Lake Tahoe, CA

May 10, 2012 - 03:05am PT

Don't like gay marriage?
Don't get gay married.

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

May 10, 2012 - 03:16am PT

Obama is getting reelected because he hasn't done one thing to really upset the elite power and money in this country and plenty to support them.

They don't want him out. They are all swimming in money and even if he raises their taxes a bit it won't hurt their big picture

Peace

Karl

It did seem like a move with mostly downside politically. Maybe he's trying to make his base happy where most of his other actions have pissed progressive voters off.

On the other hand, this will bring out the frothing at the mouth hatred that makes the right look bad before swing voters

On the other hand, the country is a lot more uptight than it seems to us in California

PS This should have gone in the political thread

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

May 10, 2012 - 03:19am PT

Good point moosie and healy. I forgot how that part of the electorate operates.

Maybe if the Supreme Ct upholds prop 8 the damage will be neutralized. Not that I support prop 8 but losing that issue would be better than seeing mittens in the white House

mouse from merced

Trad climber

merced, california

May 10, 2012 - 03:30am PT

Rowdy Yates led a very confused childhood (backstory by Wishbone). He thought Obama was a bull and Romney was a Herford. Hence his toleration for both Republicans and Democrats. I know it says nothing about why he feels like he does about gay marriage. He has his personal reasons, and NOT because he's someone's pocket toy. Give him credit. It's an important issue but hardly one to decide on by itself whether to vote O or no.

Wishbone said it was a load of bull. You know he's not a real person, just someone's wishful thinking? Like their thinking that gay marriage will be swept under the rug?

The world has become too small to be small-minded.

Karl, try religious thread? Too many hands not to be Hindu. We got Mormons and Baptists watching, too.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

May 10, 2012 - 03:56am PT

Yeah, for sure he said that just because he's not interested in being prez anymore.

Hooo-boy....

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

May 10, 2012 - 04:50am PT

I agree, John. Mormons, as a group, aren’t necessarily despised by evangelicals…rather considered cousins inférieurs.

Being wary of dangerous doctrinal trends growing in the church and secular society, if the election becomes polarized vis a vis gay marriage… denominational differences could be downplayed …and as the lesser evil, could Romney play Danger Mouse... bringing conservative evangelical voters out in great numbers?

That may seem unlikely now, but the President’s remarks might ultimately accentuate the religious right (and lumpen proletariat's) aversion to gay chic …and upset things

Norwegian

Trad climber

Placerville, California

May 10, 2012 - 06:58am PT

he is a man with an evolving heart.
for presidents change their mind,
just like you and me.

from the npr speal that i caught,
he imparted that,
based on his environmental
observations over the past few years,
combined with his peer exposures,
he simply realized within himself
that people with same-sex desires and marrital goals
should not be denied their cultural freedoms and opportunities
afforded them thru marriage.

simple.

obama is a straight shooter,
clear and honest,
and not above approaching his populace
with a humbling admission of this sort.

of course he is persuaded by his advisers,
as well as by his dramatic, volatile and cunning competitor: the republican party.

he'll stand next to the captain's chair another 4 years.
that boy don't sit down idle, he spends his heart and zeal
upon what he deems right and fair.

mouse from merced

Trad climber

merced, california

May 10, 2012 - 07:48am PT

And give them bolt-chopping Amsterdammers hell, Harry!

LilaBiene

Trad climber

May 10, 2012 - 08:40am PT

Well stated Norwegian and t*r, don't see much I can add, other than POTUS is a GOOD MAN to the core.

Goodness isn't as hard to come by as is courage to stand one's ground in the face of fanaticism.

couchmaster

climber

pdx

May 10, 2012 - 09:02am PT

Well, with that statement I guess Barack loses the Mormon vote.

LOL!

Dos XX

Trad climber

Los Angeles, CA

May 10, 2012 - 09:09am PT

From George Takei:

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

May 10, 2012 - 09:11am PT

May 9, 2012 - 11:51pm PT

"These people who are making a big deal out of gay marriage? I don't give a f* about who wants to get married to anybody else! Why not?! We're making a big deal out of things we shouldn't be making a deal out of. They go on and on with all this bulls* about "sanctity" -- don't give me that sanctity crap! Just give everybody the chance to have the life they want." - clint eastwood

We've mostly had the freedom to do many things that we want to do. I'm all for freedom. Some things we should be allowed to do without the very narrow minded laws of our bureaucracy. An example, why not allow BASE jumping at certain times in National Parks? GOD doesn't have a rule or law forbidding BASE jumping? Probably thinks its pretty cool really that we have figured that out and that we're pushing the envelope in that area of adventure.

However, as a Christian I know I'm limited by GOD's laws. Man may pass laws of all kinds that go far beyond and that allow many things that GOD and his word directly forbids and that GOD is absolutely 100% opposed to and has said "No. Don't do it. Don't do these things." These Laws have always been here for us to guide us, at least since GOD gave the Law to Moses that he brought down from Mt. Sinai.

Man has the freedom to do want he wants to do within the limits of GOD's laws. GOD sends the rain to the just and to the unjust. However, there is a judgement. You cannot escape the judgement and consequences of your actions when you go against GOD's laws, whether man's laws support your behavior or not. We are held to account for the life we live here on Earth. You may enjoy a life of homosexual/gay marriage, but you won't like the eternal consequences for making that choice.

Don't expect Christians or other people of faith to be happy about this. When we go against GOD's laws then eventually a country and nation can turn into Sodom and Gomorrah, and if you know you're Bible, it didn't turn out so well for them.

You'll get away with the behavior of sin for awhile, this Earthly lifetime, but not forever. Christians don't bring the judgement, GOD does.

I'm not going to hate people who are gay. No, I care for them just like everyone else. Love the sinner, but hate the sin. All I can do is witness to them. I can't force my views upon anyone or pass laws against anyone, nor should I ever try. The eternal Law of GOD already exists. We don't need to add to it or take away from it. It's perfect.

You can dance and drink the night away on the Titanic if you want to, but you can't escape the consequences. "Sin is a pleasure for a short season," as the Good Book says.