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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 10, 2011 - 07:29pm PT
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Steve "Shipoopoi" Schneider should be feeling the public shame. Not the BS circle jerk going on.
No apology will make up for the damage that has been done.
Only took you 51 years to be an adult. I was going to say, “to be a man” but that wouldn’t be accurate. Time will tell what kind of adult.
“Twenty-nine years ago, I did a bad thing, and I began to regret it the very next day.” A real man would not have done the deed.
Waiting 29 years to apologize is like repenting right before you die, means nothing.
Being young, angry, confused, jealous, drunk is no reason and no excuse for what you have done.
The 100 posts of praise are disgusting.
Very few see the real impact to Mark, Richard and climbing.
“What a huge fuking mess over a rock climb.” WB
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:34pm PT
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I disagree. What is done is done, and what HAS BEEN done, iss that the person came forward to the parties concerned and apologized. They have forgiven him. That is really what matters.
He'll never be able to satisfy everybody, and you speak only for yourself and not those everybodies.
You may not like what you are witnessing, but that is beside the point. It isn't about you(and I don't mean that in a negative or aggressive way);.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:34pm PT
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SECOND response to an obvious troll!
To paraphrase Mark Smith's own statement on the matter, we are not defined by our past sins, but by the direction we take in the present.
Given that the direction we're taking on the subject right now is - for the first time in years - overwhelmingly positive, why try to steer it differently?
Have an internet hug.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:35pm PT
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Oh well, If so, I have fallen for much more obvious ones!
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:36pm PT
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Please don't feed the troll.
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ec
climber
ca
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:38pm PT
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Praise?
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A5scott
Trad climber
Chicago
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:39pm PT
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ec
climber
ca
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:49pm PT
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Not a troll...
Justified rebuttal to the 'circle jerk.'
Get real people, a narcissistic disorder ain't going to change with a confessional...
 ec
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
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So what now? Lawsuits? Cash settlements? Burning at the stake?
Ponies.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:58pm PT
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Punishment is useless.
When someone commits a wrong, the solution is to make up the damage done, honestly and fully. There really is no other path to redemption.
It is up to the person who made the wrong to correctly identify what will make it right.
And I agree this post is a troll. I wasn't going to post to it but now that it's done. I had to say.
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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Dec 10, 2011 - 08:16pm PT
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“Forgiving and being forgiven are two names for the same thing. The important thing is that a discord has been resolved.” ~ C.S. Lewis
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 08:23pm PT
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“Forgiving and being forgiven are two names for the same thing. The important thing is that a discord has been resolved.” ~ C.S. Lewis
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Prod
Trad climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 08:34pm PT
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I understand this thread. At what point do we draw the line between, "I'm sorry' is ok and convicting a confession? My immediate thought when I read the original confession was, would we give Hitler this much praise? Obviously a big extreme, but guilt is guilt, No?
Does the face that being a bully is usually a result of low self esteem make it ok? I don't think so, but I think that Steve did a big thing in making his apology public. There was no need to do that. He owes nothing to any of us other than Richard and Mark.
I stand behing my post on the original confession thread, but I also think this thread has its place.
Is Steve better than the other 2 for saying he was sorry first?
Prod.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 08:51pm PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:05pm PT
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:12pm PT
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This whole WOS thing will only end once anyone who climbed in the 70s/80s and perhaps 90s is dead.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:13pm PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:15pm PT
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:21pm PT
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What a stupid thread.
What's up with this gay weird pony stuff.
Are you 5 years old?
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:22pm PT
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What a stupid thread.
What's up with this gay weird pony stuff.
Are you 5 years old?
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