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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 20, 2011 - 02:07am PT
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I love the "doublespeak" that states the concern for the health and welfare of the protestors is why we needed to pepperspray, billyclub and rubber bullet them.
OCCUPY POLICE STATIONS!
F*#K THE BROWNSHIRT FACISTS!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 20, 2011 - 02:21am PT
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 20, 2011 - 03:06am PT
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It should not be forgotten that this act of using pepper spray is a source of great joy to the protesters.
I have been down to OWS sites, and have watched a number of confrontations on live video. Unfailingly, the protesters are as rude, provoking, and threatening as they think they can get away with, plus a little more.
Their goal is to provoke violence. They carry many many video cameras. I have seen things that I was personally at edited to appear considerably different.
They likely have provoked an incident that will result in damage to police careers (part of the 99%), and damage to the Chancellor's career (likely quite sympathetic to OWS).
They are turning the police against them, nationally. They are turning the Universities, a great natural ally, against them.
Why are Universities a TARGET? They are not part of corporations, nor of corrupt gov't. This is very sad.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Nov 20, 2011 - 06:51am PT
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This is how the protests of the 1960's started. I'm guessing that soon,
the establishment will be wishing that the demonstrators could be
contained only to the campuses.
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 20, 2011 - 07:48am PT
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Ken M,
Your post is surprising and upsetting considering 1) how heavily armed the police are compared to the students, and 2) how there was absolutely, positively nothing they did to provoke that type of violence.
IF you consider it necessary to have police present at this type of demonstration, they could have, especially and the UC Davis campus, kept their distance.
The fact that the police show up and get in the face of the protesters is a provocation in and of itself.
Ironic that the same people who are calling for a small government or to get the government out of just about everything, are the same people who agree with police violence of this type.
Honest question, there were a few cases of police brutality at peaceful Tea Party rallies, did you make the same comments about Tea Partiers provoking the violence?
Reading your post one would think that you would even accuse even Gandhi of hopping that his peaceful marches would turn violent.
These peaceful protests reveal a system and a strategy that was already there, just under the surface.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Nov 20, 2011 - 07:48am PT
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"I am the sort of young faculty member, like many of my colleagues, this campus needs. I am an asset to the University of California at Davis."
i'm so wonderful...i'm an associate professor of the english department; you're just a chancellor of an entire university...i read books and publish my non-sensical ideas in obscure journals published by other english professors; you just run a university and consume your time with ever-tightening budgets...i organize protests, encouraging kids to neglect their studies and provoke authority (i even hope to score some activist sex from naive undergrads like my geriatrically juvenile '60 refugee mentors boast about); you bray about student safety and maintaining the academic integrity of this fascist institution that i'm forced to work for because i lack any skills that might be conducive to gainful employment in the real world, as demonstrated by my rambling, redundant, simple-minded, and astoundingly self-laudatory diatribe that, in my delusion of self-importance, i actually published in a forum not limited to bitter academics...now, if you'll excuse me, i'm going down to the ows campsite to troll for co-eds
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Nov 20, 2011 - 07:50am PT
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STFU
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 20, 2011 - 07:54am PT
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bookworm,
What skills do you have to justify your job (if you have one)?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't with someone like you, right?
You sh#t on those that don't have a job and then turn right around and sh#t on those that do?
Have not read a post from you in the same vein with regard to the NBA strike/lockout. Why is that? If you think an English professor at one the USA's top universities is useless, then you must think NBA players are even more useless than useless.
Funny, you talk about the right to bear arms in order to be able to rise up against the US government if it ever slides towards tyranny, and yet here we are, students and faculty at a university bravely rising up and yet you sh#t on them?
Where' the patriotism you so adamantly demand in others? Must be hidden behind the badge of partisan hypocrisy that you wear so proudly.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Nov 20, 2011 - 08:41am PT
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"Have not read a post from you in the same vein with regard to the NBA strike/lockout. Why is that? If you think an English professor at one the USA's top universities is useless, then you must think NBA players are even more useless than useless."
huh?
are you equating the nba lockout with ows? actually, i think professional athletes who complain about working conditions that place them solidly in the 1% do not deserve any sympathy (i do have sympathy for the nfl players who sought pensions for players who suffered career-ending injuries or injuries that manifest later but are a direct result of their jobs); but, yes, i do think it's a sign of our society's misplaced values that these athletes are paid so much money...and i think millionaire actors and rock stars who claim "solidarity" with the 99% are only half as idiotic (since doing so clearly bolsters their careers) as the brainless protesters who continue to praise/worship them (i.e. michael moore)
actually, i'm an english teacher...in a public high school...this weekend, like most weekends, i will spend about 6-8 hours grading papers, trying to give my students the skills they will need to succeed in whatever career they choose: critical thinking and coherent writing...my colleagues who support ows don't even assign essays or, if they do, don't critique them; rather, they assign "service awareness" projects and ask the kids to make posters and express how they feel
that "associate professor" claims the students should be allowed to determine what form their protests take...you don't see anything dangerous in that? the fact is, the chancellor is NOT denying them freedom of speech or freedom to gather; she is placing limitations (which scotus has ruled, repeatedly, institutions are permitted to do) on these rights to ensure they do not interfere with the rights of others--like students who want to attend class
one positive thing that may come of this: that associate professor may soon learn the value of respectful disagreement with one's boss when he finds himself out of a job in an increasingly shrinking job market for associate english professors
and i believe in my right to protect myself from a government that is trying to take away my rights, but i don't believe i have the right to provoke the government into "taking away my rights" (which the police/chancellor are not doing) then complain, cry, or retaliate when they enforce the laws/rules that i am breaking
and, as others have pointed out, the ows anger is misdirected...why are they protesting the universities? or wall street? or private citizens? the government takeover of the student loan industry is the cause of increased tuition costs...the government cooperation and bailout of wall street is the cause of the financial distress...and private citizens who work their asses off (or who inherit wealth from relatives who worked their asses off) are not responsible for anyone else being unemployed; in fact, rich people employ poor people
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 20, 2011 - 11:26am PT
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I thought Nathan Brown posted here on ST as NFB.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Nov 20, 2011 - 12:07pm PT
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"an eloquent text"
such praise for such drivel is a damning indictment of america's education system...i'd give that letter a C, and i teach 9th graders; he'd get an F in my ap lit class...if i had a kid at uc davis, i'd demand a full tuition refund...those students ought to be protesting the incompetence of their professors--something the chancellor is actually responsible for...brown comes across as a petulant child encouraging the uc students to throw temper tantrums...he's supposed to be an adult and a scholar...he ought to encourage those students to read alexander hamilton, john adams, henry david thoreau, mlk to grasp the true essence of civil disobedience, and he might inform his students that hamilton, adams, etc., literally risked their lives for their cause--that is if he's even aware of who these men were; i'm guessing his syllabus includes selected works of tupac, jay-z, ice-t, sista soldja and maybe a little csn for old times' sake
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 20, 2011 - 12:22pm PT
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Bookworm..I'm sure you could do a better job than that UC Davis english teacher...Maybe he will be let go creating possible employment for you...? I'm sure your critical thinking skills would go over big at the university level..? RJ
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 20, 2011 - 12:36pm PT
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Given his penchant for ball licking and sperm gargling for the overlords of the 1% it is tremendously hard to believe that Ol' BrainWorm is a public school teacher. Public education and public school teachers are at the absolute bottom of the republiCAN'Ts value list. Teachers are abused and abased like no other group in America by the political shills of the GOP. And yet Wormy want's to defend the 1% at all costs. Working in direct opposition to your own (and your students) best interests is a clear indication of an ignorant WallMart shopper.
Your veracity is in doubt. Unless of course you actually teach "Intelligent Design" in some fundamentalist Christian church school.
Dude SHOW US THE TEACHING CERTIFICATE!
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Nov 20, 2011 - 12:50pm PT
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Why are Universities a TARGET? They are not part of corporations, nor of corrupt gov't. This is very sad.
yeah.
the remarkable thing about the occupy wall street protests in downtown (i.e.business and banking) settings was the way that the provided a venue for folks across the political spectrum to join on the few things that they could agree on.
i hate seeing them move onto uc campuses. ultra-conservatives in california already see the uc as a 1% elitist institution run by the jews, launching tv protests whose effect is to identify uc with hedge funds and bernie madoff is not going to help generate sympathy (and funding) for a system already under siege.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 20, 2011 - 12:54pm PT
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I don't think there is anything more constitutionally protected than what the OWS folks are doing.
Speaking, assembling and petitioning the government for redress.
Almost the FULL first amendment right there. Throw in a few folks praying and it would be.
Takes a law degree and tons of educated BS to get around a simple paragraph.
These pictures and the attempts of our government to use force to stop them are a clear form of totalitarianism.
We applaud the Arab spring but we torture you publicly if you try it here.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Nov 20, 2011 - 01:03pm PT
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Well Sully, you can teach them about George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, the rule of law and what the constitution is yourself. At least they'll learn about Martin Luther King at University.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 20, 2011 - 01:17pm PT
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Is that true about pepper spray being a vegetable?
I don't know. Maybe I need to go to skool.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 20, 2011 - 01:24pm PT
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SOP for law enforcement and propagandists.
Demonize, and accuse the opposition of sexual perversions. Very Historically documented and often effective technique.
Skip please continue with your illustrative demonstration of Goebbels pioneering works.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 20, 2011 - 01:33pm PT
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Nice touch adding in the disabled bit.. I reccommend a bit of tweaking.. add a photo of an adorable cutely dressed blonde child. Prefferable surrounded by learing darker haired or skinned individuals..
You have much to learn my young fascist.
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