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Anastasia

climber

hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.

Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 22, 2011 - 05:01pm PT

I think this is so stupid. Who in their right mind want to piss off a bunch of Vikings? Look at what they did to Rome!

http://news.yahoo.com/norway-ripped-oslo-bomb-youth-camp-shootings-185204240.html

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Jul 22, 2011 - 05:08pm PT

Too early to tell what or who. Early reports have a tall blond haired, Norwegian speaking man dressed as a policeman with an automatic weapon killing the children. http://www.debka.com/article/21142/ towards the bottom notes :On Utoya island, police arrested a tall, blonde, Norwegian-speaking man as the suspected gunman after he was shot and wounded. They also found explosives and hand grenades at the youth camp which had been sponsored by the prime minister's Labor party.

I know that a more mellower group of folks might not exist on the planet, and we all wish them well over this unbelievable horror show. I hope that those injured recover fast, and that the perpetrators of this outrage are brought to justice so they can never do this kind of thing again.

Alan Rubin

climber

Amherst,MA.

Jul 22, 2011 - 05:11pm PT

Nothing like jumping to conclusions fattrad--apparently an incorrect one, as the latest bulletins indicate that an individual is in custody who is Norwegian and not believed to be connected with international terrorism. More like Oklahoma City than 9/11.

Anastasia

climber

hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2011 - 05:13pm PT

Wow, talk about poking a lion. The world likes having Norway preoccupied with handing out Peace Prizes. There is a good reason we keep them focused on "Peace." Wow. Always beware of the quiet mellow guy... When he goes off, it will be a work of art.

AFS

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Jul 22, 2011 - 05:15pm PT

...with an automatic weapon.

But those are illegal there!

All sh*t aside, this is seriously bad news.

It sounds like they have the shooter in custody. Once he is thoroughly "debriefed" maybe they'll send him off like they did Quisling.

HighTraverse

Trad climber

Bay Area

Jul 22, 2011 - 05:25pm PT

I know who and they believe in Islam.

What nonsense. Have you conveniently forgotten Timothy McVeigh?

Death toll is 16, probably will rise. They believe the same man did the bomb and the island attack and he's in custody.

Edit: McVeigh from Wikipedia

McVeigh was awarded a Bronze Star for his service in the first Gulf War. He had been a top-scoring gunner with the 25mm cannon of the Bradley Fighting Vehicles used by the U.S. 1st Infantry Division to which he was assigned.McVeigh was a registered Republican when he lived in Buffalo, New York in the 1980s, and had a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military.[83]......
McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic.[84] During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly.[85] McVeigh was confirmed at the Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York, in 1985.[86] In a March, 1996, interview with Time magazine, McVeigh professed his belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs."[84] In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion.[87][88] In June, 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News claiming to be an agnostic.[89] Before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick.[90]

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 22, 2011 - 05:41pm PT

Aftenposten, the main newspaper in Norway, reports two attacks. A bomb, possibly a car bomb, outside government offices in central Oslo, and shooting of ten or more at a youth summer camp in Oslo harbour. They believe the attacks may be connected, but that there is no known link to any terror organization. (Neither is there very much hard information, yet.) The attacks happened in early afternoon Friday, Oslo time, and it's now nearly midnight there. Downtown Oslo was essentially evacuated after the explosion.

http://www.aftenposten.no/

Let's not jump to conclusions about another terrible event. We'll probably know soon enough exactly what happened and why. I'll see if any cousins or friends know more, but may not hear anything until Saturday. Some work or live quite close by.
A photo of the aftermath of the bomb, looking west over downtown Oslo, perhaps from Holmenkollen. The island where the shootings occurred is off the photo to the right.

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Jul 22, 2011 - 05:45pm PT

what a crazy instance of someone correctly identifying a mistake (fattad jumping to a conclusion) and the committing the exact same mistake at the same time (saying criminal not believed to be connected with int'l terrorism).
Seems like it's too early to say, unless I'm somehow missing breaking news.

boogerman

Trad climber

Jul 22, 2011 - 05:51pm PT

Wow, total idiocy on both sides. We don't know for sure who did this yet, so saying anything definitive is certainly premature; but it's not out of line to recognize that there is a group of people in this world that make this sort of mayhem their raison detre, who are known to recruit folks from the local population to bypass racial profiling, and who have threatened Norway for reprinting the Danish cartoons of Mohammed.

Let me repeat that last bit: These are people who have threatened exactly this sort of death and destruction over printing a f*#king cartoon. There are a lot of crazy, stupid, and violent people in this world, but not many of them are quite this crazy. Harboring a strong suspicion that they may be responsible is not racist. It is not discriminatory against a race, but discriminatory towards a particular belief system, and one that clearly is deserving of it.

HighTraverse

Trad climber

Bay Area

Jul 22, 2011 - 05:54pm PT

There are a lot of crazy, stupid, and violent people in this world, but not many of them are quite this crazy. Harboring a strong suspicion that they may be responsible is not racist. It is not discriminatory against a race, but discriminatory towards a particular belief system, and one that clearly is deserving of it.

perfect description of McVeigh

Police arrested the suspected gunman at the camp and the government have confirmed that he is Norwegian.

So although they know the shooter is Norwegian, indeed, we really have NO idea what this is about!
death toll now 17

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 22, 2011 - 05:57pm PT

The Muslim world tends to view Norway favourably. Norway is generous with foreign/development aid. It also takes a reasonably balanced stance in the United Nations and elsewhere on a fair solution to the Palestine/Israel question, and sometimes criticizes the USA and Canada for their blind support of Israel. Norway played a key role in the meetings that led to the Oslo accord of 1993, between the Palestinian Liberation Organization and Israel.

I don't know what views al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations have of Norway and its policies, or whether its cheap rhetoric is of much interest. al Qaeda essentially seems to be a nihilistic group, which claims to hate everyone.

Anastasia

climber

hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2011 - 06:05pm PT

Norway is also a very oil rich country which can make it a target.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Jul 22, 2011 - 07:03pm PT

We'll know soon enough what happened, and why. There's a lack of hard information at this point, so we can speculate all we like to no effect.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jul 22, 2011 - 07:08pm PT

This is KNOTT a "tragedy."

It is MASS MURDER perpetrated by a whack-job(s).

survival

Big Wall climber

A Token of My Extreme

Jul 22, 2011 - 08:08pm PT

I know four Norwegian climbers personally and a lot of Americans with Norwegian blood.

Sorry this happened to our friends there. I hope the death toll stays small and that the perps are captured.

We're with you Norway.

Give the Israel dead horse a break Fatty, jeez. You ahow a remarkable lack of tact at times.

tolman_paul

Trad climber

Anchorage, AK

Jul 22, 2011 - 08:16pm PT

It's a tragedy anytime this happens, weather a market in Kabul, or Norways capital. From info trickling out it sounds like it might be the work of a neo-nazi.

I will never be able to fathom what drives some to random acts of murderous violence.

Gearhead

Trad climber

Novato Ca

Jul 22, 2011 - 08:43pm PT

No reply from Fattrad so far

survival

Big Wall climber

A Token of My Extreme

Jul 22, 2011 - 09:36pm PT

Go Israel!

They go through this very real fear every single minute of every single day. They have rockets fired at their children just about every day.

They don't deserve it just like Norway doesn't deserve it just like Mumbai doesn't deserve it just like ....

Innocent people don't "deserve" anything except our kindness.

Yes, it is that simple.

Skip

WTF does this have to do with go Israel?? The first to jump on the Anti-Islam bandwagon with Fatty, before things are known in any detail.

I know you don't understand this skip, but there are innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, KSA, Jordan, Egypt, and yay verily, even in the future state of Palestine. Most of those innocent people in all of those countries just happen to be Muslims. God, what ignorant pigs we come off as at times.....