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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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May 29, 2011 - 05:52pm PT
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From what I've heard, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Peregrines are disturbed by the presence of humans (i.e. climbers) near the cliffs they live on or near their nesting sites. This is the same thing Santa Clara County Parks is trying to do with Summit Rock near San Jose, California. Must be catching or else those guys are into sharing information. A disturbing trend? One pair of Peregrines on one rock and everything is shut down. More like a pretext to do what they want to do anyway: Shut down climbing crags and stop "humans" from "invading nature". Of course, I'm not aware of the particulars in this case, but have my prejudices based on my own limited experience. If Peregrines are disturbed by humans so much, why do a pair nest and breed on a building in downtown San Jose? How come a pair is now nesting under the Dubarton Bridge in a construction zone?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 29, 2011 - 06:12pm PT
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They should shut down the L.A. office buildings too whenever the perrigrines nest there.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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May 29, 2011 - 06:16pm PT
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Are there really Peregrines under the Dumbarton Bridge?
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2011 - 06:27pm PT
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I don't agree with closing the entire rock but, sorry Bruce, I agree less with you. I know my presence has affected the actions of nesting peregrines and in such instances I've left the area. We should support closers to protect these birds but blanket closures like closing all of Moro does little to gain climber support.
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2011 - 06:39pm PT
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The peregrines in one of my favorite climbing areas need way more than 100'.
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2011 - 06:43pm PT
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??????????????
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ec
climber
ca
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May 29, 2011 - 07:45pm PT
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Bruce, what you say has some truth to it that the birds have no problem with us being around. In fact, they could give a sh*t. However, the real truth is when they are nesting, they are incubating eggs that are pretty much right on the rock; no fluffy nest stuff there. So, if by chance climbers or whatever cause even some minor disturbance to have them to fly out of the nest to check out what's going on, they risk breaking those eggs. That is why there are closures. The reason why a whole area gets closed is very telling of their bio person. That means they know birds are there, but have no idea where exactly the site is located. If some volunteer goes to view and discover (with Fed permit) where they are at, in the past, I have been able to get the Feds to narrow closures down.
 ec
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tseaney
Trad climber
Sanger, Ca
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May 29, 2011 - 07:50pm PT
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The NPS closes almost everything around there from now til early august. Chimney rocks is closed every summer and has been for the past few years.
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ec
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ca
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May 29, 2011 - 07:58pm PT
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Too bad, no one has stepped up to the plate after I ceased doing that. They're more than willing to negotiate the closures.
ec
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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May 29, 2011 - 08:15pm PT
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1st hand knowledge seems appreciated there. It is too bad, Ed.
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2011 - 08:21pm PT
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ec, your starting to sound like Weld_it
FACT: Peregrines don't give a shit!
We have had different experiences I guess.
Not sure the year, I was working in Sequoia and the birds were nesting on Piece de Renaissance. I told the wildlife specialist at the time and she checked it out and only closed a small portion of the East Face that year instead of all the east and south.
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ec
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ca
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May 29, 2011 - 08:50pm PT
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Tork, you got lucky. See, you located the birds and tah-dah! Partial closure. Lots o' dudes go down there, see 'em, don't say anything, and the result is the opposite. 'don't follow Weld_it, so I don't know what you're talking about, sorry. BTW, for those that don't know, the NPS deals with Moro and the USDA/NFS over sees Chimney Rocks (usually).
ec
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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May 29, 2011 - 08:50pm PT
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FACT: TAPING MEAT TO YOUR HELMET GETS YOU UP THE ROUTE FASTER
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Radish
Trad climber
SeKi, California
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May 29, 2011 - 09:15pm PT
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Gave my input to the person in charge of this closure. They don't really know where the nest is, yet. I'm guessing when they find it the closure will narrow down. The Interior dept has suffered serious budget cuts this go round and more are coming. We'll be lucky to have National Parks in a few years the way things are going. Vounteers are going to be a go to for future park stuff like this. They are starting to bring back the CCC into the park with veterns from Iraq and Afgan. too now.
ALSO.........the Moro Rock road will be closed EVERY weekend of the summer this year. This is not at all a bad thing. They want to keep the traffic out and it does become crazy in the summer. Since we have the worst air in the nation, this also is a help with the pollution up there. So, plan your long routes. YOu will be able to ride the shuttle out there, or bike it or walk it from Giant Forest. If you drive in before 8am you can still park there, but will have to wait till after 4 to get out. Enjoy!!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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May 31, 2011 - 11:06am PT
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From what I've heard, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Peregrines are disturbed by the presence of humans (i.e. climbers) near the cliffs they live on or near their nesting sites.
one of my favorite topics on here. peregrines moved onto williamson rock the last few years it was open in spite of very busy climbing activity. we were afraid they'd close down the rock because of them, but they decided to close it because of frogs instead.
what it's about is pushing people around, getting you used to that tool on your back 24/7 so they can control you even more. freespirited climbers are a prime target for it. the only way to fight back is harangue them every inch of the way for the lack of reason in public policy. peregrines have not been on the endangered list since the 90s. go tool the effing industries and urban developers.
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mooch
Trad climber
Old Climbers' Home (Adopted)
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May 31, 2011 - 12:53pm PT
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Really?!?! All the faces? Then that would include the stairs to the top!!!
If I can't climb there, the tourons shouldn't be able to "climb" the stairs.
Hypocrisy!
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micronut
Trad climber
fresno, ca
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May 31, 2011 - 02:45pm PT
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Is there a specified hunting season for Peregrine?
During quail season, my wife bastes the breasts with a splash of Soy and fresh ginger. They are amazing with pilaf and a robust merlot.
Maybe the answer is easy. Hunters win, climbers win. Done deal.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 31, 2011 - 03:04pm PT
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Well, ignoring the fact that almost every post in the thread so far is hysterical bullsh#t, exactly how big across in yards is each face on Moro Rock?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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May 31, 2011 - 03:19pm PT
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I don't know about a measurement in yards, but Moro Rock is quite large with expansive faces and routes as long as 11 pitches, the west face is 1000 ft tall.
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