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couchmaster
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pdx
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 11, 2011 - 05:04pm PT
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So Paul Humphrey's and Bean Bowers are 2 otherwise healthy dudes who both have stage 4 cancer. Then seeing Bob D'Antonio, close to a world class athlete not too old at all getting a double bypass, and a bunch of other similar things has hit my brain. Maybe it was happenstance, but I just picked up the book "The China Study".
It starts out telling you that milk products and too much animal protein (ie, beef, chicken, etc) are the prime causes of most of our health ills. Not a "maybe" this is causing it, but scientifically weighted to be the most likely case.
Sh#t I'm barely past the introduction and I'm already changing my diet. Anyone else feel or believe this?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 11, 2011 - 05:14pm PT
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Good enough for me, the every day or twice a day lattes are now out...thanks.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Apr 11, 2011 - 05:21pm PT
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Life is 100% fatal.
Starvation brings it on sooner.
Cube life is killing us in so many other ways, despite not really shortening our lifespan much.
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harihari
Trad climber
Squampton
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Apr 11, 2011 - 05:27pm PT
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Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. Pollan's advice, and pretty much bang on in evolutionary terms. When we were cavemen, and before that pre-hominids, we ate a ton of fruit and veggies, with occasional blasts of very lean meat and fish. Grains, sugar, gobs of fat, refined starches, no. Our bodies are millions of years old, our diet 50.
Eating dairy is like, an alien lands on Earth, we walk up to her, and say "can we suck on your tits?"
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 11, 2011 - 05:38pm PT
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China Study is well known in the field, and had a huge sample size. That said, longevity & diet study of the longest lived groups showed quite a bit of variance in what their diets were composed of.
For example, the people of the southern Caucuses drink a glass or two of fermented milk every day. So ruling out dairy might not be the answer. The commonality between the groups is usually fresh whole foods, little meat, low calorie diet, vigorous exercise, respect for elders and close community ties.
The book "Healty at 100" looks at the Hunza, Caucasian, Okinawana, and high Andean groups with noted longevity and health. Very good and quick read, recommended. It also makes reference and has a chapter on the China Study IIRC.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 11, 2011 - 05:43pm PT
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Somewhat to my surprise, I agree with El Cap -- at least on this. There is enough variance in the diet of long-lived groups to justify some skepticism of dogmatic diets, but there's also enough shared traits that they're worth studying and learning from them.
But then again, "The minute you're born you start dying, so you might as well have a good time." -- Cake.
John
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Gal
Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
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Apr 11, 2011 - 05:47pm PT
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MMCC- +1, like. What everyone is saying, it's all very interesting-and the fact that there is more than just diet which is problematic. I don't disagree with anyone. I'm just hoping for the best. I couldn't be a vegetarian, I've pondered it, but nope. I just hope Chipolte burrito bowls aren't too bad in the long run.
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Apr 11, 2011 - 05:52pm PT
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god I love butter and cheese. But I know it is not good for me.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Apr 11, 2011 - 05:56pm PT
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Mmmmm... Bacon.
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GnomicMaster
Mountain climber
Ventana Wilderness
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Apr 11, 2011 - 07:02pm PT
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Nay, nay!! Life is killing you!!
Always busts me up when those terrorizing ads come on the radio (I killed my TV years ago to save my brain) claiming that this or that is the #1 killer, when the FACT is that LIFE is the #1 killer.
Tune out, turn off, and drop into sanity!!
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Apr 11, 2011 - 07:02pm PT
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i had red velvet cupcakes yesterday.
they were killer after the braunschweiger and onions on rye.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 11, 2011 - 07:05pm PT
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Don't buy any magic beans!
Unless your name is Jack.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Apr 11, 2011 - 07:07pm PT
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Yup. The mortality rate is 100%. The only question is how.
Sorry, Werner - you, too.
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Rusty Punch
climber
Cloverland, CA
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Apr 11, 2011 - 07:19pm PT
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http://www.robbwolf.com
http://www.marksdailyapple.com
Eliminate grains, sugar and processed foods. Eat meat, vegetables and healthy fat. Exercise a little bit.
Try this lifestyle as an experiment for 90 days. If you are not amazed at how fantastic you look and feel, go back to killing yourself with your old eating habits.
-RP
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GnomicMaster
Mountain climber
Ventana Wilderness
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Apr 11, 2011 - 07:24pm PT
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Remember that obnoxious bumper sticker about 20 years ago that said "He who dies with the most toys wins"? Some smart-ass (better than being a dumb-ass) answered that with the bumper sticker that said "He who dies with the most toys still dies!"
Same goes for "how" we die. Every self-righteous ivory tower vegan is going to get old, whither, and die. Every beer swilling bloody steak eater is going to get old, whither, and die. So, tell me, if the final TRUTH is the same, what difference does it make how one gets there, huh?
Eat the meat, swill the brew, ride the saddle, and die knowing you had fun!!
A life unexamined is not worth living? No, no, a life unlived is not worth examining!!
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Apr 11, 2011 - 07:28pm PT
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The air is killing us!
Seriously, I just took a breath, and felt one breath closer to dying.
Wait.
It happened again.
Damn.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 11, 2011 - 07:49pm PT
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Are the Breatharians still around - other than the occasional Jack-In-The-Box, the air is all you need.
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