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graniteclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2011 - 06:43pm PT
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And the lab suits wonder why people have an "irrational" fear of radioactivity.
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graniteclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2011 - 06:47pm PT
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Your children's children will grow old and die before people can live here again safely.
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SteveW
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The state of confusion
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Mar 16, 2011 - 06:56pm PT
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Is there any other reminders we need -- do we need nuclear power?
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sandstone conglomerate
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sharon conglomerate central
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Mar 16, 2011 - 07:00pm PT
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the Forest of Miracles, as it's known in Chernobyl. like the people of Japan haven't endured enough radiation horrors over the years. Those pictures are brutal
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graniteclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2011 - 07:01pm PT
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It's like one of those genies from Arabian Nights. Incredibly useful when kept under your control in the bottle, but if it escapes, watch out!
Chernobyl isn't just something that happened many years ago. Those kids are still alive and suffering today.
Some of the victims of Chernobyl haven't even been born yet.
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graniteclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2011 - 07:02pm PT
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Tuesday, 8 May, 2001, 23:39 GMT 00:39 UK
Chernobyl children show DNA changes
Fifteen years on, the Soviet legacy remains uncertain
By BBC News Online's environment correspondent Alex Kirby
Scientists say there is evidence that low radiation doses can cause multiple changes in human DNA, that are passed on to future generations.
They found "an unexpectedly high increase" in mutations among children born after the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1319386.stm
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graniteclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2011 - 07:03pm PT
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WE did it to OUR children.
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graniteclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2011 - 07:04pm PT
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I am typing these words using power from a nuclear power plant.
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Jaybro
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Wolf City, Wyoming
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Mar 16, 2011 - 07:51pm PT
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Not Russia, the Soviet Union
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CrackAddict
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Joshua Tree
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Mar 16, 2011 - 08:09pm PT
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Is nuclear power potentially dangerous? Sure it is. But we have to face that and design safer reactors. The Daiichi reactors require pumps (and a power source) to cool the reactors, which is the source of ALL the problems so far since the earthquake (the 9.0 Earthquake took out the primary power source, the tsunami took out the secondary). Modern reactors (like many in the US) use gravity or osmotic pressure to force water through, they do not require external power, although it is there for backup.
We have designs now that are theoretically hundreds of times safer than current reactors (like the pebble bed reactor) but every time something like this happens it puts moratoriums on building new plants and we end up using the same plants from the 70s in perpetuity. We need to realize that there is no free lunch when it comes to energy. Wind, solar, tidal power are 1-3% solutions at BEST. Most power we get now comes from coal or nuclear. Did you know that to create the same amount of energy, burning coal generates more radioactive waste than uranium? And at least the the radioactive waste in uranium CAN BE contained. Much of the radioactive waste from coal goes into the air. And if you think Global warming is a problem, you had better at least consider nuclear - which produces no CO2.
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WBraun
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Mar 16, 2011 - 08:12pm PT
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We need to realize that there is no free lunch when it comes to energy
So says the lab coats.
You don't need 99% of the modern technology that's running off the grid.
That's the illusion all you modern lab coats created.
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golsen
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kennewick, wa
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Mar 16, 2011 - 08:35pm PT
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Werner, I take it your PC is absolutely necessary and not hooked up to the grid?
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WBraun
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Mar 16, 2011 - 09:05pm PT
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You miss the point completely.
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Jeremy Handren
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NV
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Mar 16, 2011 - 10:06pm PT
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"We need to realize that there is no free lunch when it comes to energy. Wind, solar, tidal power are 1-3% solutions at BEST"
What do you base that statement on?
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reddirt
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Mar 16, 2011 - 10:15pm PT
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This piece totally downplayed Chernobyl's legacy. Those pix posted overwhelms, however...
March 16, 2011
The nuclear crisis in Japan has evoked memories of the 1986 Chernobyl disaster. Robert Baker, a biologist at Texas Tech, who co-directs the Chernobyl Project, has been studying mammals in Chernobyl for two decades. Baker tells Linda Wertheimer his group has found next to no signs of radiation poisoning or cancer in subsequent animal generations there.
http://www.npr.org/2011/03/16/134585523/Chernobyls-Hot-Zone-Holds-Some-Surprises
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SteveW
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The state of confusion
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Mar 16, 2011 - 10:17pm PT
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Currently, 25% of the nuclear reactors in the US are the same models
(GE built), as those that are melting down in Japan.
Do you know why the nuclear operators have to get congress to insure them?
Because no company would ever cover such a risky business. . .
Oh, and I get 100% of my electricity from solar power. . .
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golsen
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kennewick, wa
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Mar 16, 2011 - 10:37pm PT
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No werner. I did not miss the point. Spraying here is about as useless waste of electrons as anything I can imagine.
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graniteclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2011 - 10:42pm PT
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reddirt, from the npr piece you posted:
WERTHEIMER: Dr. Baker, when you look at a situation like the one they have in Japan now, where a giant set of reactors is sitting on the banks of the ocean in the middle of what appears to be fairly rich farmland, what would be your that means your assessment would be that everything around there is going to recover?
Dr. BAKER: Well, it certainly will recover in time. I'm sure that there will be in 10 years, there will be mice and mammals moving back in and doing very well. But it may be that for growing food that we want to feed to our children, that won't be acceptable for 100 or 300 years.
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