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Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 21, 2011 - 05:03pm PT
You better care about America!

You better care about Workers' Rights and our right to collective bargain.

Hard working Union members and middle class America made this country what it once was: great, strong, and financially sound.

It is systematically being destroyed before our eyes by those who hate America and who are greedy and who are selfish and who are bent on endless War.


'Hold Fast' by Sons of the State (featuring Endless Blue)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x556340
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNyY16LtpZ4


Middle Class Task Force
The Vice President of the United States
http://www.whitehouse.gov/strongmiddleclass

http://www.strongmiddleclass.gov



Stand up for our worker rights! Unions help us all no matter who you are, Union or not.


First They came...

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6




Wis. budget plan may tilt political playing field

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110221/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_union_politics

By RYAN J. FOLEY, Associated Press Ryan J. Foley, Associated Press – 33 mins ago
MADISON, Wis. – The high-stakes fight in Wisconsin over union rights is about more than pay and benefits in the public sector. It could have far-reaching effects on electoral politics in this and other states by helping solidify Republican power for years, experts said Monday.

While Republican Gov. Scott Walker's plan to wipe out collective bargaining rights for most public employees has galvanized Democrats and union members in opposition, the GOP could benefit long-term by crippling a key source of campaign funding and volunteers for Democrats.

"It would be a huge landscape-altering type of action, and it would tilt the scales significantly in favor of the Republicans," said Mike McCabe, director of the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, which has long tracked union involvement in Wisconsin elections. "This is a national push, and it's being simultaneously pushed in a number of states. I think Wisconsin is moving the fastest and most aggressively so far."

The National Education Association, which represents 3.2 million workers, said teachers' collective bargaining rights are also being targeted by proposals in Ohio, Idaho, Indiana and other states.

Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad, a Republican, said Monday lawmakers should pass a proposal to bar public employees from negotiating health insurance benefits. In Indiana, a GOP-led House committee debated Monday a right-to-work bill that would prohibit union membership from being a condition of employment.

The Wisconsin plan strikes at a key Democratic Party constituency by eliminating the mandatory union dues teachers and other public workers are required to pay. The plan would take away the ability of most municipal and state employees to bargain any condition of employment beyond their base salaries — including benefits, work schedules and overtime pay. And unions would need to survive a vote of their members every year to stay in existence.

Public safety workers, including police officers, firefighters and state troopers, would keep their rights under the plan. Those unions endorsed Walker in his campaign for governor last year, but he said they were exempted because he did not want to jeopardize public safety if they walked off the job.

Nancy MacLean, a labor historian at Duke University, said eliminating unions would do to the Democratic Party what getting rid of socially conservative churches would do to Republicans. She called unions "the most important mass membership, get-out-the vote wing of the Democratic Party."

"It's stunning partisan calculation on the governor's part, and really ugly," she said.

Walker has denied political motivations, saying his proposal is about cutting state and local spending for years to come. But in an interview with The Associated Press last week as protests raged inside the Capitol, he acknowledged his plan to allow workers to opt out of paying their dues could cripple unions.

"That's something that threatens these national leaders. They want that money. That's their existence. Having mandatory membership is what keeps them going," he said. "If people have a choice, I think many of them are afraid that things will change, and that's where the intensity is. But for us, it's about balancing the budget and doing it in the most responsible way possible."

Standing to lose the most clout is the powerful Wisconsin Education Association Council, which represents 98,000 teachers, counselors and other current and retired school workers. Mandatory dues for its members can be $1,000 or more per year.

Walker has suggested workers could save their dues and use that to help pay more for their health insurance and retirement benefits. His plan would essentially cut take home pay for many public workers by 8 percent by increasing their contributions for those benefits, concessions that union leaders say they are willing to accept if Walker backs off his anti-union rights plan.

Crowded among a throng of protesters on the Capitol steps on Monday, Madison elementary school teacher Barbara Rowe said she gladly pays her $95 monthly dues to her union. She said her pay would be cut by far more than that under Walker's plan and she was willing to accept that to help balance the budget. But she denounced his proposal to eliminate collective bargaining "as a total power grab."

"This is all about union busting," she said.

WEAC is typically among the largest-spending special interests in Wisconsin politics, helping former Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle win two terms in office and often trying to sway key legislative races with television ads and mailers. It also contributes to other groups that run political ads in favor of Democrats and against Republicans.

WEAC's political arm has spent more than $11 million in donations to campaigns and spending to support and oppose other candidates since 1998, nearly all of it helping Democrats, according to McCabe. The group endorsed Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, a Democrat, in his race against Walker for governor last year.

McCabe said WEAC's campaign spending dwarfs that by other unions — including American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, which represents tens of thousands of state and local workers in Wisconsin. But he said they were all a key part of the Democratic party's coalition in a state that has generally leaned to the left.

Combined with proposals to require voters to show identification, end election-day voter registration and redraw legislative boundaries, Wisconsin Republicans could solidify their power if the anti-union bill passes, said David Canon, a University of Wisconsin-Madison political scientist.

Arguably more important than their spending is union-organized volunteer work manning phone banks to help Democrats, going door-to-door to get voters out and mobilizing their members to vote, he said.

"It adds up to something that would fundamentally shift the nature of partisan politics in Wisconsin for a decade, whether or not they intended to or not," he said. "The stakes are very high. Everyone is viewing this as a test case for the nation."



Associated Press Writer Scott Bauer contributed.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2011 - 05:27pm PT
Teachers do not have tenure.

Teachers have due process.

So should you.



Stand up for Solidarity.




Unions gave us:

5 day work week, 8 hour work day, health care for workers, regulating hours for woman and children, then eventually men, limits on child labor, right to strike and organize, right to collective bargaining, too name a few . . .

Unions give workers a voice on the job about safety, security, pay, benefits—and about the best ways to get the work done.
http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/faq/

You benefit. So does our Country. Unions built a strong middle class and USA.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Illegal_Union_Firing_1952_-_2007.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_States



http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/dropping-the-ax-update-2009-03.pdf

Our findings provide significant support for the view that an important part of the decline in private-sector unionization rates (the unionization rate in the public sector has remained constant for three decades) is that aggressive—even illegal—employer behavior has undermined the ability of
workers to create unions at their work places. The National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) penalties associated with illegal firings are small: back pay for illegally fired workers minus any earnings that workers had after they were fired. Current law has given employers a powerful anti-union strategy:
fire one or more prominent pro-union employees—typically workers most involved in organizing the union—with the hope of disrupting the internal workings of the organizing campaign, while intimidating the rest of the potential bargaining unit in advance of the NLRB-supervised election.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
Feb 21, 2011 - 05:43pm PT
Incompetent teachers (including batty science teachers) shouldn't be protected by any association from getting fired, not in Saudi Arabia nor Yemen nor in America, yes or no?
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2011 - 05:50pm PT
Would you fire Sir Isaac Newton from his teaching post, yes or no?



Think outside the box and don't fear to do so on your own time.



You are truly a "fruit-loop," just as your avatar name suggests.


Remember, you called me a name first.






I'll repeat for emphasis since you do not have very good reading comprehension . . .


Teachers do not have tenure.

Teachers have due process.

So should you.




couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 21, 2011 - 05:58pm PT
5th post, blammm.!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
Feb 21, 2011 - 05:59pm PT
Would you fire Sir Isaac Newton from his teaching post, yes or no?

Case in point. Above quote. Batty.

For the tenth time, SIN lived in the 17th century. Insofar as he was a theist, it was for that reason. Had he lived in the 20th century he'd have been so far beyond Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris in their a-theism, he'd be at least an anti-theist if not some other appellation.

Out with batty science teachers. Restore teaching's good name. Quality control is a must. Act now!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
Feb 21, 2011 - 06:21pm PT
Where do you stand on batty science teachers though, should they get to keep their jobs, yes or no?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 21, 2011 - 06:30pm PT
America IS the GOP you idiots!


Elections have consequences.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2011 - 07:26pm PT
Would you fire Sir Isaac Newton from his teaching post, yes or no?




Case in point. Above quote. Batty.

For the tenth time, SIN lived in the 17th century. Insofar as he was a theist, it was for that reason. Had he lived in the 20th century he'd have been so far beyond Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris in their a-theism, he'd be at least an anti-theist if not some other appellation.

Out with batty science teachers. Restore teaching's good name. Quality control is a must. Act now!



Once again you don't know what you are talking about. By your own definition Sir Isaac Newton would qualify as batty. The only one here batty would be you.

I consider Sir Isaac to be an absolute genius (3 Laws of Motion, invention of Calculus, his Universal Law of Gravity, the invention of the Reflecting Telescope, a Theory of Light etc. etc.), and yet he was way, way into knowing GOD. (Someone you don't care to know and belittle anyone who does.) He owned 30 Bibles, and of all his writings and studies his religious searches, studies, and writings, for The Bible Code, and the End of Time (2060 AD by his estimation) and to know GOD, easily dwarf in amount all of his science writings. Many things he believed he couldn't speak about. He was also into Alchemy, the rudimentary beginnings of Chemistry.

He had an open mind. Something you know nothing about.

Get an education. I even made it easy for you . . . here is the link:


NOVA: Newton's Dark Secrets
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1834954339084407820#

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/newton/










Yes, I know it bothers you to delve into the forbidden secret knowledge, but he himself searched for it . . . and in our time, in our day with the advent of computers we have found it. GOD celebrated Newton's discovery . . .


TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 21, 2011 - 07:33pm PT
http://www.gallup.com/poll/146234/Number-Solidly-Democratic-States-Cut-Half.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=plaintextlink&utm_term=Politics

F is wrong again.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
Feb 21, 2011 - 07:46pm PT
Hahaha... Wipe the spittle off your mouth.

Again, that was the 17th century. Hello. This is the 21st century. Apparently you have no sense of our species' cultural evolution over several centuries.

I already have the documentary, Newton's Dark Secrets, btw. The man believed he could turn mercury into gold. The man did not have the "comparative religions" savvy that even today's average college freshman has. Hello.

As I said, batty.

.....

When the economic going gets rough in So Cal, as certainly it is poised to do, batty science teachers should be the first to get the axe. Just my opinion though, no disrespect.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2011 - 08:22pm PT
HFCS,

Lay-off the fruit syrup.

Once again you are absolutely wrong. Many very gifted scientists have come to realize the truth of what I've said. He wasn't just a man of his time. He had to keep much of his studies secret, so he wasn't doing the popular thing. He did nothing because it was the popular thing to do.

The pursuit of science and to know GOD was one in the same to him. They clearly acknowledge this in the video and make a very, very strong point of it.

Check-out min. 34 in the video. You are 100% wrong. Even the science community acknowledges it. Yet you sit back and say, "No he was just a man of his time. He had to believe." No he didn't. If fact he believed differently than those around him. He kept this secret.

There are many great scientists who also believed in GOD and had faith through the history of science and modern science. Yes, and even today.

Men of Science Men of God: Great Scientists of the Past Who Believed the Bible [Paperback] Henry M. Morris (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Men-Science-God-Scientists-Believed/dp/0890510806/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1298336091&sr=8-8


The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom [Paperback] physics PhD Gerald L. Schroeder
http://www.amazon.com/Science-God-Convergence-Scientific-Biblical/dp/1439129584/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1298336234&sr=1-1


Theistic Evolution: you seem to forget this . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

I'm a Methodist . . .

The United Methodist Church affirms a Creator God and supports the scientific study of creation.

“We recognize science as a legitimate interpretation of God’s natural world. We affirm the validity of the claims of science in describing the natural world and in determining what is scientific. We preclude science from making authoritative claims about theological issues and theology from making authoritative claims about scientific issues. We find that science’s descriptions of cosmological, geological, and biological evolution are not in conflict with theology.” [19]

Both are a pursuit of truth however, and one day I firmly believe they will be one in the same truth. Two sides of a equilateral triangle both converge to a point. I firmly believe that one day our understanding of science and the reality of GOD will be one in the same. This truth must happen outside of the classroom and work environment though, where we are free to fully express our thoughts. We must maintain a separation of Church and State to avoid favoritism and abuses of our constitutional rights. You would have a problem with this I have no doubt. Respecting an individual's faith, no matter what it is seems impossible to you.


Anyone who thinks differently than you is batty according to your self-centered twisted way of thought.

I think you tip back the corn syrup bottle too much. Your ability to do your job must suffer.

Perhaps you should lose your job because you are so prejudice of those who think differently than you. You don't really understand the concept of coexistence. You want others to suffer persecution that disagree with you and who can prove you wrong.

How convenient.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 21, 2011 - 08:29pm PT
Why is it that 93% of the National Academy of Scientists do NOT "believe" there is a Big Guy in the Sky?
http://creationwiki.org/National_Academy_of_Sciences
Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
Feb 21, 2011 - 08:37pm PT
Republicans are the most dangerous enemy of America.
okie

Trad climber
San Leandro, Ca
Feb 21, 2011 - 08:41pm PT
I will not join any union or paramilitary organization that requires me to wear lederhosen. But c'mon, the salute is kinda cool, isn't it? Let's take it back from the nazis. Ironically, the swastika is a variation of an old buddhist symbol.
But I digress...
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 21, 2011 - 08:43pm PT
Typical republican chest thumping, just like two years into Clinton. They'll close down the government, lose face and slink off in disgrace, AGAIN! Do these guys have Any, concept of history?
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Feb 21, 2011 - 08:46pm PT
Liberals are the enemy of our Republic. Their greedy effort to hold on
to overly generous benefits when the country is broke shows what
irrational goofballs they have evolved into.

What part of broke don't Libs understand?
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Feb 21, 2011 - 09:11pm PT
Liberals want to take the food out of our children's mouths and the roofs over their heads by continually increasing taxes just to keep their overly
generous benefits packages. Its not your money Libs.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2011 - 09:14pm PT
Governor Scott Walker vs Wisconsin or Who took my money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-pdvQ8D2s4
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 21, 2011 - 09:15pm PT
http://creationwiki.org/National_Academy_of_Sciences


93% of the National Academy of Sciences do NOT believe in a "god" of any kind.
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