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Chris McNamara

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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 17, 2011 - 06:33pm PT

There is a cool article in the latest issue of Deadpoint magazine "Doped up and Roped Up"

Check it out here
http://www.dpmclimbing.com/content/dpm-training-issue

or go to the homepage and click on latest issue

http://www.dpmclimbing.com

I think it is page 50 or so

Chinchen

climber

Way out there....

Feb 17, 2011 - 06:45pm PT

Kind of a dumb article though. Not very scientific and a bit silly without really ever addressing any real situations.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Feb 17, 2011 - 06:57pm PT

Possibly even worse than the Alpinist article on the same topic. Most who toke and pull would probably say that it goes both ways...sometimes helps, sometimes hinders and that many,many factors determine which.

How often that person is smoking in general (tolerance levels).
How much they smoke (how high they get on that specific occasion).
What kind of bud (indica, sativa, blend).
How much time between toke and route? (10min? 20min? an hour?)

froodish

Social climber

Portland, Oregon

Feb 17, 2011 - 07:13pm PT

All about set, setting and dosage.

Aside: jeebus, whoever designed that viewing app needs to be dragged behind some wild horses. What torture.

drljefe

climber

El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson

Feb 17, 2011 - 07:35pm PT

Damn el cap, gettin all scientifical and stuff.

426

climber

☬

Feb 18, 2011 - 12:22pm PT

I've seen stoopid practices by both non and smokers.

What might help the author on Cannibals is the no hands rest @ 3/4s height; seems like it should be in the bag but everyone seems to miss this no hands...

research into the scientifical stuff and you find...

Even more intriguing, the researchers found that with the right stimuli, the body creates its own cannabinoids (the endocannabinoids). These cannabinoids are composed of molecules known as lipids, which are small enough to cross the blood-brain barrier, so cannabinoids found in the blood after exercise could be affecting the brain.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/16/phys-ed-what-really-causes-runners-high/?src=me&ref=general

Brandon-

climber

Done With Tobacco

Feb 18, 2011 - 12:46pm PT

I'm with Pate.

I'll puff or have a couple of beers bouldering, but it stays in the car when I'm roped up.

Don't get me wrong, I like to burn, but there's a time and a place for it.

At times when I cherish the focus and clarity of mind in stressful situations, it detracts.

Anastasia

climber

hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.

Feb 18, 2011 - 01:03pm PT

Some folks do fine and some don't. It really is about their tolerance levels, brain chemistry, disorders(ADHD,) etc.

The same discussion can be applied to climbing with ipods. Music helps some people focus and for others... Well, it will greatly distract them.

All I can say is use your own discretion.

Mountain climber

there and back again

Feb 18, 2011 - 01:04pm PT

So Radical, you work at a detox facility or something?

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Feb 18, 2011 - 01:07pm PT

a bad idea 100% of the time.

Right. Because you know what everyone else experiences and how they react to various substances. Blanket statements concerning multi-variable influenced, largely subjective experiences sounds pretty ignorant...but if the shoe fits.

ydpl8s

Trad climber

Santa Monica, California

Feb 18, 2011 - 02:19pm PT

Yep, it pretty much depends on the person, everyone is different. I personally prefer it afterwards with a beer, but I've known some that do totally amazing things on all kinds of chemicals.

I seem to remember someone posting up a pretty telling oldtime photo of some of the Stonemasters on a "trip" to Colorado, taken at the base of the Bastille, red-eyed and ready to crush. Then of course there is also the Hallucinogen Wall.....we all make our own choices.

Stewart Johnson

climber

lake forest

Feb 18, 2011 - 04:01pm PT

people climb without smoking dope?!??!!

Erik Vance

Trad climber

Berkeley, CA

Feb 19, 2011 - 04:25pm PT

Put me down as a no. I don't judge what you do with your own life, but I want all my facilities if everything goes south. And I don't care what you say about tolerance, I wouldn't want someone tripping belaying me, especially on aid, where the mind tends to wander...
As to the story, lighten up guys. It's supposed to be funny and a gentle reminder.

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Feb 19, 2011 - 05:41pm PT

Cuts the edge off!....."SMOKE DOPE CHECK UR ROPE"....

rgold

Trad climber

Poughkeepsie, NY

Feb 19, 2011 - 06:43pm PT

First of all, it does seem that the article concludes that climbing stoned is a bad idea, with examples to back it up. It ain't scientific, but it hardly seems to be promoting the idea.

Second, the absolute last person you can trust to evaluate their own competency is the stoned climber. The world is already full of people who think they can drive while impaired---until they find out they had no idea what they were talking about, hopefully without causing too many deaths or life-altering injuries.

I think I have a lot of tolerance for different approaches to climbing, but I sure as hell don't want to depend on someone who is climbing under the influence. Hell, it's easy enough for sober folks to overlook a critical detail. And no, the idea that it depends on the person is another one of those myths perpetrated by the addicted. Impaired never thinks it is impaired.

I don't know if Sharma actually climbs stoned or not. Either way, it proves absolutely nothing.

Manjusri

climber

Feb 19, 2011 - 07:00pm PT

"Impaired never thinks it is impaired."

This is not correct. Studies of marijuana and driving indicate users are aware of their impairment and compensate accordingly. http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450

drljefe

climber

El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson

Feb 19, 2011 - 07:34pm PT

Waadical-
You get my vote for holier-than-thou/hypocite supertacoan of the year.
I do commend you on your line of work, though.

cintune

climber

the Moon and Antarctica

Feb 19, 2011 - 07:56pm PT

Rad, you have a skewed perspective. Self-destructive or just plain stupid types will use whatever comes to hand in the process of ending up on your stretcher.